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ThxSeville, The Bait, Ambrose Welcomes Nyah, Chimera Myth, Beach Fight, Ambrose Dies.Can we stop? I agree with the other guy more in his points, but it's clear that this is gonna keep going nowhere if you're gonna be so overly defensive about something that you claim is merely subjective.But here we are, calling dog-humping, Decepticon testicles, and mommy-on-pot-brownies "challenging the viewer."<br>======================<br><br><br>Why do Bay naysayers pretend that Bay only directs TF movies? It's very interesting...... Pretty much all complaints against Bay are connected to the TF movies.<br><br>Newsflash: Bay was a proven and very successful action filmmaker wayyyyyyyyyyyyy before TF1. <br><br>So no, "challenging the viewer" is not about Transformers. You chose to focus on these movies. Not me. I was actually reffering to Bay movies like The Island and especially Pain and Gain. <br><br>But I guess you like to talk only about Transformers.....Good for you. But that's not how a discussion works. <br><br><br>===================<br>Instead of accepting that your love of Bay is nothing more than a opinion, just as my claim that he misses the point of what makes action movies fun is, you turn into an overly-defensive nut, desperately quoting every opinion piece under the sun to pretend your opinion is some statistically-backed fact. I've seen you do this every time someone talks shit about Bay around here. It's psychotic.<br>===================<br><br><br>So let me get this straight: trying to be as objective as possible, in a non-threating way, quoting people who actually know what they're talking about and certainly not treating my opinion as fact, makes me......psychotic? <br><br>Wow! Just wow!<br><br>Next time, I'll just act like a complete jerk, insulting everyone and everything. For you, that is apparently the normal behavior.<br><br><br>======<br>Bad movies make money. Everyone knows that, and everyone knows that's not proof of quality.<br>=======<br><br>Reviews, RT scores, and crappy film blog "think pieces" are also not proof of quality. Also, a "bad" movie to you is the greatest movie for the guy walking next to you on the street. As Kevin Smith said: "Every movie is someone's favorite movie". <br><br>Let's try to keep that in mind.<br><br><br>============<br>That's not just a domestic bomb, that's a bomb altogether.<br>============<br><br>Really?<br><br>Then what do you have to say about Pacific Rim 1. I present to you.......the pure numbers:<br><br>Budget: $200 million. And that doesn't include the marketing cost.<br>Worldwide gross: $411,002,906<br><br>So that flick, according to you, turned a profit.......but TLK - budget of also $200 million and with a worldwide gross of $605 million..........is a bomb?<br><br>Wow! Just.....wow!Yeah lol back then only Harold was confirmed.
Can you tell me a names of cues, that was been on Klaus website?Formality indeed. Complicated ! lol<br><br>You can bet Blake Neely didn't need anyone to "write" those 10 seconds !! lolI always found these credits to be a bit confusing. Klaus Badelt is credited on almost every cue, even when his themes don't appear and another additional composer is credited as well. I thought maybe it was just a formality that Zimmer and Badelt were credited everywhere (I mean, how much could they be involved on a cue like "Welcome to the Caribbean"?), but then "No real ship" and "Sword Fight Pt. 2" have no Badelt for some reason. Does someone know a bit more about this?well the composer confirmed he is working on it to be released very soon<br>"It's funny tho......people always complain how Hollywood plays it safe and how movies don't take chances..........but when a movie with tonal shifts that challenge the viewer and offer something bold shows up, people bitch and complain."<br><br>I didn't think it was possible for a Bay fan of all people to be this insufferably pretentious.<br><br>I thought that was more Snyder fanboy territory.<br><br>But here we are, calling dog-humping, Decepticon testicles, and mommy-on-pot-brownies "challenging the viewer."<br><br>Kudos, man.  Kudos.<br><br>You can hide behind however many fallacies you want.  If "Not to me" and "You do you" didn't give it away early on in this thread, I DIDN'T try to treat my opinions as fact.<br><br>But that doesn't mean I'm going to add a little "IMO" at the end of every goddamn sentence just to coddle you. <br><br>On the flip-side, consistently making appeals to authority and popularity, "B-b-but Spielberg said!", "B-b-but the Forbes poll said!" don't make you objective.<br><br>Y'know, it's funny.  When I listed off better blockbuster examples, you could've very easily just argued against them on the level of the films themselves, and everything would've been fine.<br><br>Sure, you would've just claimed you can't see the action at night sooner, which is rich when you praise the film series that puts the subjects of its action scenes OUT OF FOCUS every other shot, but hey, that's just honest opinions versus honest opinions.<br><br>But using two belated half-assed sequels from different, less talented directors that lost most of the appeal of the first movies, as some sorta litmus test for how well-liked the first movies were, is the biggest bunch of bullshit I've ever heard.  That's not objectivity, that's not even confusing correlation with causation, that's saying 1+2=4.<br><br>That's the real joke here.  Instead of accepting that your love of Bay is nothing more than a opinion, just as my claim that he misses the point of what makes action movies fun is, you turn into an overly-defensive nut, desperately quoting every opinion piece under the sun to pretend your opinion is some statistically-backed fact.  I've seen you do this every time someone talks shit about Bay around here.  It's psychotic.<br><br>Bad movies make money.  Everyone knows that, and everyone knows that's not proof of quality.  But if that's the kinda road you wanna go down, I guess movies like Avatar, The Force Awakens, or all the Avengers movies, are "objectively" better movies in every conceivable way than anything Bay has made in his entire career.  I mean, CLEARLY those films must have a bolder style and push more boundaries.<br><br>Why else would more people watch and rewatch them, right?<br><br>Reasonable causation is for those goshdarn geek journos.<br><br>And by the way, The Last Knight lost money.  Period.  Almost 100M according to Paramount themselves.<br><br>That's not just a domestic bomb, that's a bomb altogether.<br><br>Have a nice day.
Siding with the guy that lied through his teeth to feign objectivity seems like a bad call.<br>==================<br><br>Kinda ironic, coming from you....but I'll take it as a compliment. Thank you! <br><br>And yes, he sides with me because what I say is common sense. For whatever reason, you have these strong negative feelings toward Bay films and those feelings blind you to some pretty obvious truths. <br><br>Have to say tho - for a 'hater' you sure know A LOT about him, his style and his movies. <br><br>Just admit it - you are a huge Bay fan but you just want to score some points with the snobbish internet crowd. <br><br><br><br>============<br>In any case, modern Bay and Snyder don't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Fury Road.<br>============<br><br>Oh, you're one of THOSE people......"Fury Roaaaaaaaaad is DA BEST FILM EVAAAAAAAA".<br><br>Let me guess: you also think that Nolan is the greatest director/person of all time. On par with Jesus himself. <br><br><br><br>==========<br>What DOES matter is scripts with razor focus, sharp pacing, witty and/or charming humor (if it wants humor, that is), and characters likable enough to carry us through the narrative.<br>==========<br><br>Which is what Transformers 1 is. <br><br>Which is why the movie connected with audiences. It was - at its heart - a story about a boy and his car. Even the most jaded critics enjoyed that aspect.<br><br><br>=============<br>And again, the likes of Pacific Rim, or 300, or the first Pirates of the Caribbean, or the first Kingsmen, or John Wick, or most Guy Ritchie films, or the better fourth of superhero films, illustrate that Bay and Snyder have no excuse.<br>=============<br><br>Excuse? For what?<br><br>My friend, you do realize that Bay in particular is one of the most powerful and successful filmmakers of all time, right? He is the second highest-grossing director of all time (domestically), only behind Spielberg. You can dismiss box office success all you want but you don't get to where Bay is if you're not good at your job. <br><br>Snyder is nowhere near Bay, in terms of success and influence. Personally, I don't care much about him. <br><br><br>P.S. Guy Ritchie (and Edgar Wright) are huge Bay fans. Ask yourself why. <br><br><br>===============<br>They just aren't very good filmmakers on the whole<br>===============<br><br>Your opinion.<br><br>I disagree.Bay walks the lines between being self-serious and comical, but his films aren't well=written enough to serve the former, or witty enough to serve the latter, and the end-result is droll and annoying.<br>====================<br><br>You sure you're not a "writer" for one of those ridiculous geek sites like Collider, Screen Rant or Slash Film? Because you sound a lot like one of those "beloved" writers. <br><br>Anyway......Yes, Bay's movies always walk that line but whether that works or not is........Yes! a matter of opinion. For me, Pain and Gain is one of the best modern satires while for you it is - I'm guessing - "droll and annoying".<br><br>It's funny tho......people always complain how Hollywood plays it safe and how movies don't take chances..........but when a movie with tonal shifts that challenge the viewer and offer something bold shows up, people bitch and complain. <br><br>Some of you folks are indeed very hard to please. <br><br><br>===============<br>The first POTC earns it. The Bad Boys 2 doesn't. Infinity War earns it. TF 1/2/3/4/5 doesn't.<br>==============<br><br>Okay, now that statement is the best joke of the year! Thank you for the good laugh! Really! Oh, and I've definitely argued with you before, my friend. You are clearly one of those ten Bay haters from the IMDb forums who claim to hate everything the man does, yet they have seen EVERYTHING he had done. Why is that, I wonder?<br><br><br>===========<br>Fitting, as Synder and Bay are cut from a very similar cloth. Difference is, unless we're talking Man of Steel, I'd sooner rely on Snyder for consistently good action sequences<br>===========<br><br>Well, I would trust Spielberg on this. Because it was Spielberg who said, and I quote: "Michael (Bay) is one of the greatest action directors. He has the best eye in Hollywood." Spielberg works with a lot of directors. But he never said anything like that about any other director. So clearly he means what he says about Bay. And....you know......unlike most people, Speilberg actually knows a thing or two about filmmaking. <br><br><br>================<br>300 didn't try to start a franchise. It was a one-off adaptation of a graphic novel in the same vein as Sin City, and was successful. They tried to make a cash-grab sequel almost a decade later, without Snyder, and it failed. That's hardly the first film's fault.<br>================<br><br>It is a clear proof that people weren't that excited to visit this world again. And mind you, that happened with the first sequel! Talk about a one-time thing, huh?<br><br>At the same time, Bay made FOUR Transformers movies - with different casts - before there were any signs of audience fatigue. <br><br>That speaks for itself.<br><br>===========<br>Pacific Rim suffered from lackluster marketing, and yet still managed to turn a profit and attract a strong following.<br>==========<br><br>Excuses, excuses, excuses.....So you can display all the excuses in the world for Pac Rim but when it comes to Transformers, you don't accept anything. <br><br>Double standard much?<br><br>P.S. That "strong following" is on the internet. The same following that was supposed to make Scott Pillgrim a huge hit. Everyone knows that internet hype is not real-world hype. I know very well the type of people who act as if Pac Rim is the best thing since sliced bread. Total geeks who are angry that Transformers is much more popular and much more successful than Del Toro's "let's shoot all the robot fights in pitch black so audiences can't see shit" movie.  <br><br>Also, let's not pretend that Pac Rim is a universally beloved film. You know very well that there are A LOT of detractors as well. That's what you get when people can't tell what's going on during the movie because you shot it all at night. Just like that Godzilla movie. <br><br><br>============<br>Versus something like Transformers, which has piggybacked on an established IP, relentless marketing campaigns and tie-ins, and a fairly consistent release schedule. And even then, recycling the same bullshit eventually took its toll.<br>============<br><br><br>Wrong.<br><br>Do you read Forbes? You should. Because it's a place where objective people write. It ain't a stupid militant film geek site like Ain't it Cool News or Screen Rant.<br><br>Forbes published multiple articles explaining in great detail why the Transformers movies were successful EXACTLY because they were directed by Bay. Whether you like it or not, my friend, Bay is a brand. He is an auteur. There were multiple polls before the first two Transformers movies and Bay being the director was one of the main reasons for people to watch the movies. <br><br>But I guess you missed all of that, huh?<br><br>How convenient.<br><br><br>==============<br>Friendly reminder that AoE also relied on China (more pathetically then even Pacific Rim did) to compensate for diminishing domestic returns. To say nothing of TLK outright bombing.<br>==============<br><br>First: according to ACTUAL real data, the only TF movie that was saved by China is.......Bumblebee! Yeah, you better believe it. Go to Deadline and Forbes and read it for yourself.<br><br>Second: TLK bombed domestically, yes. <br>But not internationally. No one with actual knowledge of the situation refers to that movie as an international "bomb". Besides, there were 4 super successful TF movies before TLK. So Bay got nothing to prove. He already created one of the biggfest film franchises in history. <br><br>How many directors can say that?<br><br><br><br>==================<br>I know you like debunking Bay naysayers with "facts and logic," but it helps to not be grossly disingenuous while doing it<br>==================<br><br><br>Goes both ways, my friend. But unlike most naysayers, I don't treat my own personal opinions as facts. And if I'm being "disingenuous" then I don't even know what to say about some Bay haters who refuse to accept even the most obvious facts and truths.nopeYou realize there is a very easy and free method to get the music from that site, dont you?Random thought but this got me thinking about Zanelli's history with fantasy.<br><br>Whatever happened to his score for Delgo?  I know it's been accused of being super derivative of his other works anyways but still, it's weird to see a RCP score just drop off the face of the Earth like that.
There's just something really charming about seeing a prototype for a famous future theme showing up in an old score.<br><br>Or in PotC's case, SCORES.The only ones I've seen properly confirmed are the cues Badelt had listed on his website. The issue with everything else is that there's certain themes that's been associated with certain people, but aren't credited for every appearance. Not to mention that I've never really seen much official credits elsewhere, so I take any that I've seen with a grain of salt.This comment was made before that was properly confirmed, so he was likely going to do it solo at the time.I thought Hans was collaborating with Faltermayer For Top Gun 2From both ASCAP and GEMA
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Daft PunkJoseph TrapaneseToby ChuGavin Greenaway
ComposerCo-ComposerAdditional ArrangementsConductor
Tron Legacy (Complete Score)
Label: Unofficial Release
Length: 124'55
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CD1
  1. Legacy Open (1:38)
  2. Bedtime Story (1:33)
  3. News Report (1:54)
  4. Motochase (1:35)
  5. Encom Tower (Part 1) (3:53)
  6. Encom Tower (Part 2) (2:18)
  7. Sam Visits Arcade (0:54)
  8. Recognizer Capture (2:38)
  9. Sam Descends To Grid (1:22)
  10. Sirens (2:04)
  11. Disc Game Intro (1:33)
  12. First Round (1:41)
  13. Sam Fights (1:40)
  14. Rinzler VS Sam (2:18)
  15. Throne Room (1:37)
  16. Lightbikes Intro (0:28)
  17. CLU Crowd Intro (1:20)
  18. Lightbikes Battle (3:25)
  19. Quorra Saves Sam (2:43)
  20. Safehouse Reunion (3:11)
  21. CLU Waits (0:40)
  22. Flynn's Flashback (4:11)
  23. Sam Plans Escape (1:42)
  24. Quorra Decides (3:10)
  25. Sam Seeks Zuse (2:55)
  26. End Of Line (2:37)
  27. Final Scheme (2:19)
  28. CLU Breaks In (2:42)
  29. Party Crashers (1:44)
CD2
  1. Flynn Drops In (1:23)
  2. Solar Sailer Intro (1:28)
  3. Solar Sailer (2:42)
  4. CLU Arrives (0:37)
  5. Flynn's Promise (1:55)
  6. Tron Tracks Flynn (1:33)
  7. CLU Sees Zuse (1:48)
  8. Sunrise Prelude (2:52)
  9. Rectifier Arrival (1:47)
  10. Quorra Caught (1:35)
  11. CLU Prepares (1:22)
  12. Quorra Meets CLU (1:39)
  13. CLU Speech (2:14)
  14. Recovering The Disc (4:12)
  15. Lightjets (4:39)
  16. CLU & Tron Fall (1:45)
  17. Portal Arrival (2:01)
  18. Portal Climax (3:22)
  19. Flynn Lives (1:52)
  20. First Sunrise (1:27)
  21. Overture (3:18)
  22. End Credits (4:23)
  23. Legacy Theme (1:59)
  24. Final Scheme (Alternate) (2:07)
  25. Solar Sailer (Alternate) (2:42)
  26. CLU Arrives (Alternate) (0:37)
  27. Flynn Lives (Alternate) (1:53)
  28. End Credits (Short) (2:30)
  29. 2008 Comic Con Teaser - Clay Duncan (1:52)
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Warfighter reply Replies: 7 || 2013-04-14 02:19:32
What was RCP's involvement in "Oblivion"? It definitely has a strong Inception/ Dark Knight vibe
The credits state: Mixed at RCP.

Did Clay Duncan work on this?

It's really a great score and fits the movie perfectly.



Ds2013-04-14 16:25:16
I think it's the first great epic score of 2013!

I didn't know it was mixed at RCP, i checked the digital booklet and didn't find anything about that... But i did it quickly so maybe i'm wrong!


Hybrid Soldier2013-04-14 16:33:51
Unlike Tron RCP didn't work on that one in any way... Yeah the score was mixed there, like a LOT of scores these days, cause it's one of the best facilities for that in Hollywood... ;)


The score is great, but unlike Tron, sounds really nothing like RCPish... Sure one cue is a TDKR ripoff (temptrack, I guess), and yeah a few have Tron vibe, but that's all... Putting a synth pad in a score these days & using percussions make everyone call anything RCP...


JamesT2013-04-15 02:32:34
Very true, Hybrid.


Edmund Meinerts2013-04-28 15:56:01
Sounds nothing like RCP? Then what's with all the Batman Begins/Dark Knight ostinatos running all over the place? That opening track "Waking Up" is obviously influenced by Zimmer's Batman scores (with one Inception blast thrown in for good measure) and it's far from the only one. The similarities go way beyond just synth and percussion.


Ds2013-04-28 16:38:19
I agree with Edmund Meinerts, the composers were clearly influenced by Zimmer last works for the orchestral parts (especially TDKR). But what's best in Oblivion score is the synth stuff, which remains very fresh.


Mike2013-07-05 01:21:13
Hybrid, which cue is the TDKR ripoff? Judging by the album, I'd guess it's "Waking Up", but I don't know since I never saw the film or heard the complete score.


Bayhem2019-03-31 10:11:36
The "Oblivion" score is indeed heavily influenced by the MV/RC sound. I saw the movie again recently and it's pretty obvious.

Joseph Kosinski is clearly an MV/RC fan and if you look at all of his movies so far......they all have MV/RC-influenced scores. Even "Only the Brave".

And for "Top Gun 2" Kosinski finally got the man himself - Hans. I guess it helps when you have Bruckheimer as producer :)

theeaglesfan005 reply Replies: 5 || 2014-01-29 00:54:27
What's with DP's helmets on the top right?

I know on the liner notes there is a thank you directed towards Zimmer.. But what's the connection between HZ & DP?


Areozz2014-01-29 01:10:48
Zimmer was the Music Consultant.


Spence2014-01-29 06:53:26
They just won the grammy for Best Album. Since they've worked with RCP, it would only make sense to promote them in that promotion icon spot :)


Zeus2014-01-29 16:43:06
While that does make sense, it was well over 3 years ago. If anything, their helmets were there during the release of the soundtrack and / or film. But who knows. Perhaps that is why, perhaps not.


RealFfingMusic2014-02-08 20:19:13
How many people exactly composed the tracks?


Eddie2018-11-24 17:04:11
Is it possible to purchase a copy of this album? I can't seem to find it.

Daniela reply Replies: 0 || 2013-04-14 04:20:18
Hi I'm from Chile. I study graphic design at Diego Portales University I have to do a work about Hans Zimmer . I would know if you can help me please, answering some questions &#191;What do you think about him as composer? &#191;What is his best soundtrack and why? &#191; What is important about his life?(something anecdotic) .If you tell me all the things that you know I'd be really grateful.

Anonymous reply Replies: 4 || 2012-12-28 05:15:40
Final Scheme, CD 1, is not on the recently leaked sessions?


Stygian2012-12-30 04:05:20
I'm fairly sure it is. Look again.


Anonymous2012-12-30 21:35:47
Not on my set.


Mr. Charles2012-12-30 22:52:14
Well then son, you need to download it again. It's listed on here as track 27. On the sessions, it's cue 5m26s Final Scheme. It was released as the bonus track "Castor"


Mr. Charles2012-12-30 22:54:33
There's an "s" in front of the 26 because it's source music. I would have thought that it's just part of the score, but I guess not. It plays when Sam is in the End of Line club talking with Castor, or "Zues". All of the music playing during that part of the film (End of Line, Final Scheme, Party Crashers) is considered source music.

Felix reply Replies: 2 || 2012-12-27 22:41:17
WOW


Mike2012-12-27 22:42:59
Yeah...the guy who posted all the tracklists really wasn't faking I guess... O_O


Stygian2012-12-30 04:06:07
Who and where are they

theeaglesfan005 reply Replies: 5 || 2012-12-28 03:43:16
Hybrid, do you have the credits for each track? :)


Hybrid Soldier2012-12-28 10:20:26
Well you know it's nearly all tracks by Daft Punk & Joe Trapanese.

Flynn's Flashback is by Toby Chu.


Then you have some unknown help by some unknown big guys, but it's not really known... xD


theeaglesfan0052012-12-28 19:47:46
i know Hans Zimmer was involved... in the booklet that came with the soundtrack they give a huge thanks to him and some other people

I really can't wait for Trapanese's TU release on January 8th


Mr. Charles2012-12-28 23:04:59
I was getting at that. They thanked Hans Zimmer, Harry Gregson-Williams, Christophe Beck and a couple other composers. The entire score has Zimmer's touch all over it. But thanks for the partial credit for that one cue I suppose. There just has to be more, though


Hybrid Soldier2012-12-29 10:06:51
Clay Duncan was the first guy hired to score Tron Legacy (hence his trailer music back 4 years ago). His music actually had the roots of the final score.

Director wanted Daft, so they kicked him.

But in the end Mickey wasn't pleased with DP, so they asked for some back up by RCP and others. Not saying DP's score was rejected, not at all, but it was really guided & helped by RCP people, including... Clay Duncan, the fallen... LOL


Mr. Charles2012-12-29 18:08:17
Well I went to Joseph Trapanese's site and found some credits. Turns out he's worked on M83's latest album. They happen to be composing Tom Cruise's new movie "Oblivion", which is directed by Joseph Kosinski, who also directed Legacy. Anyway, here's the credits:

1.) Outlands (OST)
Quorra Saves Sam (Sessions)

2.) Fall (OST)
Flynn Drops In (Sessions)

3.) Sunrise Prelude (Bonus Track, same on Sessions)

4.) Rectifier (OST)
C.L.U. Speech (Sessions)

5.) C.L.U. (OST)
Lightjets (Sessions)

6.) Flynn Lives (Same as OST & Sessions)

7.) Solar Sailor (OST)
End Credits, pt. II (Sessions)

Ans Toby Chu arranged "Flynn's Flashback", which is "Adagio for TRON" on the OST

Someguy who wants the inception score reply Replies: 2 || 2012-12-27 23:10:50
Where is the Inception recording sessions? I Mean its great to have this complete scores but why inception its not even released, even the dark knight rises was released so why not inception


Mike2012-12-28 00:06:28
Sadly, m'friend, I don't think it will surface. All we've had were countless fake track lists.


Anonymous2012-12-28 00:12:46
Inception... And Sherlock Holmes (1 and 2)!!!

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