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may i ask who determines who does which cues? and what determines whether HZ does a cue by himself?
Usually, Zimmer writes musical suites, that is to say pieces of music inspired by the film, but not written to match a precise scene : in this case, the suites are "Jack Sparrow theme", "Davy Jones theme" and "Kraken theme", plus all that was remaining from the first movie. Then, the additionnal composers take the suites, arrange and edit them (or even write some new music based more or less closely on the suites) to match the picture. I think all this is mainly organized by Zimmer, even if there is probably quite a lot of discussion between the members of the crew in order to determine who does what. Sometimes, it seems as if Zimmer himself does some cues for the picture, but I don't think it is such a frequent thing...But again, I'm not the one who knows best about this on this site.
I assume Hans is responsible for the "Lord Cutler Beckett" suite from the next film, but did he compose the little snippets of the Beckett theme heard in here?
The "Lord Cutler Beckett" suite was actually written for Dead Man's Chest. Much like the "Jack Sparrow" suite found on DMC's OST, this Beckett suite explores all the aspects of Beckett's theme. It IS the origin of all the little snippets of the Beckett theme heard in here. It's a shame that such a large portion of the Beckett suite never saw any use in the movies, though.
That may very well be correct, but the Beckett suite isn't listed on this page. It's on the AWE page.
I'm pretty sure that the suite was written for AWE. The only aspect of the Cutler Beckett theme heard in DMC is the three-note rising ostinato (1-2-3-1-2-3-1-2), whereas all of the other aspects of the theme don't come into play until AWE.
The Cutler Beckett theme is really good. Pity there were no theme suites for OST. Surely the 5 minutes of Mermaids isn't all Hans wrote for that one?
No theme suites? If you by the Treasures Collection you get:
Cutler Becket Pirate Lord of Singapore Just Good Business The Heart of Davy Jones Marry Me A demo of the Pirates theme A demo of Jack Sparrow's theme
OST, here, stands for "On Stranger Tides". NM was asking if there were any suites for Pirates 4 outside of the Mermaids suite. I would expect not, given all the complications that score had. All of the new themes introduced in Pirates 4 play basically in their entirety in any one place that they appear (slight exaggeration) so there wouldn't be much more in a suite.
Ah, I see. Aren't Blackbeard and Angelica theme suites?
Blackbeard? On the original soundtrack? I guess if you want to, you could call it a suite. It's only composed of three cues that just happen to contain Blackbeard's theme and that were somewhat lazily mixed together: cue #1 is Blackbeard's introduction, cue #2 is Blackbeard's demise, and cue #3 is the one named "Fry The Cook".
And again, with "Angelica": I guess you could call it a suite, but technically, I don't think it is even Pirates music. The very basics of the theme were maybe written by Zimmer, but the music was done by Rodrigo y Gabriella, whose names appear precisely nowhere in the credits accompanying the Pirates 4 demos.
And again, Hans ALONE arranged one of the best cues in the film (AWE's was "Trying to Get Lost", DMC's is "Abandon Ship - Jack's Demise"). So with due respect, if you say Hans has lost it, you don't know what you're talking about! :)
Yes, but this was seven years ago now. The people who tend to say Hans has lost it are talking about the last few years. And I must admit that sometimes I do think that to myself, because he hasn't really wowed me in a while - Inception and TDKR are in that drony pseudo-intellectual not-so-thematic style of his I don't like much (though they both have good individual moments) and SH2 and PotC 4 were shameful followups to good or even excellent scores, to name the bigger efforts. Hopefully Man of Steel will bring back a bit of that spark I've misseed from him lately.
I'm sure it will. From what we've heard MoS looks like a good mix of the old melodic Zimmer themes and the sharp, violent sound of TDKR.
I'm thinking Man of Steel will be something great, particularly with the film. But I'm going to remain slightly skeptical for now, just in case. :P
Hybrid, do you know, out of curiosity, why it is that Hans has other people arrange most of the film cues? Does he want to give the other composers experience? Is he too busy? I'm just wondering.
Um. This is not complete. There are like 15 whole cues completely absent from this.
Yep, that's why I wrote "expanded", you know.
Among the missing cues you have :
Norrington Teases Liz Persuade Me Elizabeth Threatens Beckett Monkey Stings Will Watches The Dice Game Cannibal Lights Fire Elizabeth Helps Norrington Swann & Beckett Make A Deal The Dock Scene Swann Helps Elizabeth Tia Dalma Recognizes Him Norrington Overlay ...
For something like 15 to 20 min...
and why didn't you add them and called it complete score? ;)
Well I don't have them, simple as that ! :)
are Alts of themes missing as well?
and, what i can called it now ! unrelesed tracks or Hybrid@ you know the tracks titles from music sheets !!
I reconstructed the POTC 2 & 3 (partial for 3) cue lists myself. Was a long and hard work. The original files came without titles, just "1m1, 1m2, 1m3...", and if you're all getting something clean like this, it's because I spent some time on it... Pirates have no secrets for me ! :)
What's the cue number for "Climbing Up", Hybrid?
Huge POTC Fan
@HybridSoldier Any chance of the titular "missing cues" surface?
@Hybrid: Where does the track "Wheel of Fortune" from Lorne Balfe's website fit in on this track list?
The cue on Lorne's site is "Climbing Up" (despite its name there, though the names on the site are mostly random titles).
Should be 3m19C or 3m20... :P
You're right ; Hybrid you add this track (3m19?) Climping Up from LB'Site to the track, but this track isn't in the recording sessions release, i don't know why ? we can add it and the quality is the same to the RE.SE.
@Hybrid: Ok. Thanks Hybrid. Grateful for your work and effort. And if you have the composer list for At World's End (Expanded Score) that'd be incredible too :-)
He already gave the credits to POTC3 on the AWE expanded score's page. Look in the comments. ;)
Too bad it's just expanded and missing a lot of music :( - best of the 4 scores