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In My Opinion, Moody Bruce is the Best song in the Soundtrack!
Yep, it seems to be the primary talked-about thing here. I hope La La Land gives this score a better release one day. It's not the best of the trilogy, but it has the best suites, and the whole score has a much better and more sensible musical narrative than what we got on the CD.
Have any more credits shown up for this besides the ones Hybrid posted a few years ago?
No the cuesheet for that film is empty (I mean, HZ only).
You won't get more than what I posted... :P
Oh okay.. :P It looks like a couple of them changed though... like, below, you said "Without a Rope" was HZ and Balfe, but now it's on Mazzaro's page? Any other changes?
Hybrid, how do you figure out credits with empty cue sheets? Do you ask the individual people what they did or is the info somehow made available elsewhere? or is it a big secret that you can't tell anybody?
Well, we can add Andrew Kawcynski to the Hospital Visit and Death or Exile cues now, thanks to this soundcloud. :P
anyone notice how this score seemed to undergo a lot more post-cue editing compared to the other two films?
--"batman chased" is almost completely replaced with (better) temp cues and its midsection is changed a lot --"rooftop fight" is significantly edited in the film (the version here isn't even complete!) --"imagine the fire" and "chasing the convoy east" sound totally different in the film, with a heavily edited insert between them... --"fernet branca" is replaced with the (better) TDK version
on the whole the TDKR complete score just doesn't sound as "together" as BB and TDK to me
oh, and there's also the "mugging part 2" insert replacing "a hero can be anyone", along with an insert from "the ferries" (TDK) between "batman returns - on thin ice" and "come with me"
I've noticed this as well. I imagine it comes down to editing Chris Nolan had to do to the film itself. Especially with the various inserts that don't show up on the cue sheet, I would guess that Hans and co. had written the "complete" score and the inserts were used to easily accommodate later edits made to the film itself by Nolan.
I would guess also that, comparing the other two movies to this one, Hans, James, and co. did the cues but then didn't have to put up with too many edits to the picture. Thus, the complete scores for those more closely resemble what the movies have. There was some editing in Begins, though. Batmobile Chase is significantly different in the movie, while Backup and Batman Arrives were both made to be more "beefy" in the film.
(And just since we're on the topic... I would still would love an official release of the Batman Chased film edit - that's higher on my list than No Time for Caution, lol).
Forgive a slight dose of fanboy-ism, but I had "Moody Bruce New Hero" Suite on earlier and boy has this got some of the best notes written for Batman. IMHO at least. That this particular suite missed its well-deserved place in just about every commercial album made for this "Rises" is beyond me. One part that almost universally blows me away in this cue is the bit starting around 8:47 - 9:05. Dramatic and heroic. Every time these two keywords come into the spotlight and become the center of attention, Hans' style of composition truly shines.
Oh, that suite is fantastic. It makes me mad they didn't release all of it (outside the underwhelming app). It's truly a highlight of all the music written for these movies. And come on. The TDK album got "A Dark Knight," so why couldn't TDKR have gotten this? TDKR as an album is one of my least favorite HZ albums. Doesn't do justice to the score at all.
yeah zimmer releases truly got better after man of steel... now, 2-disc releases are de rigueur for blockbluster movies like this.... such a thing would have been unthinkable from the man back when tdkr came out though... if only water tower or some label would make an improved release of this one (and begins!!!).
I think you'll find many fans of "Moody Bruce" suite here. It is the best arranged track out of the entire Rises score after all.
Yeah I agree. In fact that track pretty much contains all the music I ever need to listen to from Rises - it even has the best use of the Bane chant in it.
Hybrid Soldier, would you have the complete credits for this one? Even partial credits like you did on POTC 3 would be awesome! :D
Here's what I know =>
Logo => Mel Wesson Room Service => Jasha Klebe Uncrackable Sage => HZ/LB/Klebe He Was The Batman => HZ/LB Nothing Out There For Me => HZ/LB Is He Coming Back? - Bar Shootout => HZ/LB/Steve Mazzaro Blake Visits Wayne Manor => HZ/Klebe Hospital Visit - Bruce Follows Selina => HZ/LB For Old Time's Sake - Applied Sciences => HZ/LB Risen From Darkness => HZ/LB Batman Chased => HZ/LB Selina Finds Dagget => HZ/LB Rooftop Fight - Back To Batcave => HZ/LB Handing Over The Reactor => HZ/LB Batman Could Be Anybody - Selina Apartment => HZ/LB Miranda Visits Wayne - Take Me To Bane => HZ/LB Airport Detainee => HZ/Mazzaro Instrument Of Your Liberation => HZ/Andrew Kawczynski Special Forces Arrive => HZ/Kawczynski Without A Rope => HZ/LB Death Or Exile? - Gordon To Foley => HZ/LB Get Me To Fox - Gordon Arrested => HZ/LB Death By Exile - Bagged Bruce Wayne => HZ/LB Remember Where You Parked It? => HZ/LB Come With Me => HZ/LB Sacrifice => HZ/LB Fernet-Branca => HZ/LB
Fan-freaking-tastic, Hybrid! As someone who likes to know exactly who did what, you have no idea how nice it is to have someone like you who's "on the inside" about these kinds of things. Much appreciated!
Wow! Why isn't this score credited to "Hans Zimmer & Lorne Balfe"?
Thank you, Hybrid Soldier! :D I don't want to ask too much, but could you do the same with Batman Begins' expanded score and The Dark Knight's complete too?
Haha that WOULD be pretty awesome, but no pressure.
As I already stated it's quite impossible for Begins. Apart from obvious things sounding HZ and other sounding JNH, it's really a co-score, with HZ using JNH & JNH using HZ. I have no clue about Ramin's work, just that he helped a lot. Lorne arranged a few things, the known one is "Backup", and Mel for the more "ambient" cues... :)
TDKR was more a "split" work so it's easier (even though composers did rework cues from Begins, so it remains fuzzy). But I'll tell what I know from TDK.
I actually have a question about Backup, since the beginning is used for the end credits to these movies. I'm ignorant of music processes, so when you say LB "arranged" the cue, do you mean he "composed" it or just sort of put it together like that? And if he composed it, I assume that means that whenever the credits start rolling we're hearing Lorne Balfe?
Lorne was a music programmer on Begins, while Ramin "wrote" additional music.
So basically Lorne was working on pre-existing cues, and added various layers (percs, strings etc.). So you're hearing... well, Hans & Lorne ! ;)
Hybrid do you know if HZ did ANY of the TDKR cues himself?
If I had to guess I would say Hans did the "Prologue" and "Slow Knife" cues alone. Not entirely sure why, but they just strike me as Zimmer cues. Also, the first part of Batman Chased, the film version, is temp music from the previous two movies--temp music which, I imagine, Zimmer applied to the scene before having Lorne arrange the actual cue. So you could probably say Zimmer did that himself also...
"Gotham is Yours" sounds like a HZ cue to me
Its probably not credited to Balfe because he might have just arranged it
It just seems to me that all of this was Composed by Zimmer but put together and Arranged by Balfe. So to answer your question Zimmer did do it it was just Balfe who put it together.
any idea about cues you didn't list hybrid or no?
Wouldn't he have put them if he knew...? :P I imagine the Prologue and Slow Knife cues are Zimmer alone, and since It Was the Batman and No Stone Unturned are just suites temped in, I imagine those are Zimmer alone also. I also wouldn't be surprised if Born in Darkness were Zimmer alone. Seeing as Lorne did the End Credits cue in TDK, I'd be willing to assume he did it here, too.
Hybrid i'm not REALLY expecting to get an answer to this but :P ... where do you get your credits from? do you have access to hans' cuesheets or what exactly?
Am I the only one that gets ticked off every time I have to listen to the Origins Suites in the crappy radio quality that we got them in from the Z app? I just hate that these masterpieces were released in terrible quality! Does anyone know if they're out there in better quality? Maybe I missed, but have these ever been released in better quality?
No, you're not. It boggles my mind the way this score was released, honestly. 2011-2012 was a bad time for HZ albums, and this brings back memories of that. The suites - especially Wayne Manor, Bane, and the completely-unreleased transfiguration suite - are the real highlights of this score, yet they were released in an app? Where's the logic?
Then the CD is 50 minutes of cues of lesser importance in the overall score, with the exception of a few like "Gotham's Reckoning" (prologue) and "Rise." Then there was the whole issue of "bonus tracks": get "No Stone Unturned" and "Risen From Darkness" with the physical CD, but... oh, the latter track wasn't remotely like the much better film mix. Then you could get another track buying tickets early! *Sigh*
Say what you want about HZ albums these days missing important cues ("Escape From Ship," "Rest of My Life" film version, "No Time For Caution" film version), but things are a heck of a lot better now than they were when TDKR came out. Now, 2-disc releases seem to be a standard for blockbuster scores, and Batman v. Superman is continuing that trend.
i'd love to see a 2-disc release setup like this:
CD 1 (approx: 68 min):
1. Logo / Prologue (full) 2. Harvey Dent Day / Uncrackable Safe 3. Nothing Out There For Me 4. Bar Shootout 5. Blake Visits Wayne Manor / Hospital Visit 6. For Old Times' Sake 7. Stock Exchange 8. Batman Chased (film version) 9. Rooftop Fight 10. Take Me To Bane 11. A Child Born in This Hell 12. Instrument of Your Liberation 13. Gotham Is Yours 14. Born in Darkness / Many Forms of Immortality 15. Not Meant to Die Here / Someone Sold Us Out 16. Without a Rope
CD 2 (approx: 30 min of cues, 40 min of suites):
1. Death or Exile? / Gordon Arrested 2. Remember Where You Parked It? / Batman Returns 3. All Out War 4. The Slow Knife (full version) 5. Imagine the Fire (film version) / Chasing the Convoy 6. Rise (film version) 7. Wayne Manor / Moody Bruce Hero Suite 8. Bane Suite (maybe shortened) 9. Selina Kyle Suite 10. Moody Bruce Transfiguration Suite
And this would certainly be possible... MoS had about an hour on its first disc, with another hour on its second, 50-some minutes of disc 2 being suites! Come on, Watertower! :P
50* min of suites on disc 2
It's certainly possible. TDK in this very series got a 2-disc release, and I never have felt like I have been missing "essential cues" when listening to that version. But I would add a shortened version of the "End Credits" to the above list as well. The credits music that finishes these movies is essential to appreciating the three scores properly IMO. Sadly only TDK has the credits on its official release.
I'm so thankful I was able to get my hands on this version of the soundtrack. Thel retail OST left out so much good material even with the bonus tracks. I'm only gripe is all the filler tracks on the last disk. I would recommend buying the retail version as well though. Some of the tracks on the original soundtrack are much better, such as "No Stone Unturned", its far superior version of "A Hero Can Be Anyone" since it leaves out all the temp music from TDK and features a cool version of Batman's theme that first popped up in the track "Training" in Begins. Does anyone know why Hans sort of phased out Batman's main theme from "Molossus"?
Hybrid, unless you know something we don't, which is quite possible, the TDKR booklet lists JunkieXL with "additional music" and not simply additional arrangements....All the other crediting is as given here.
Mainly for the remix...
And Ramin gets additional arrangements but didn't work on that score... ;)
It was just a big thank for a Begins cue... ;)
I think it's for the reuse of "Train Fight" as "Chasing the Convoy East", just with Bane colours and motifs mixed in.
Bioscope, what are you referring to? You think "it's" for the re-use of Train Fight....Do you mean JunkieXL's crediting or Ramin Djawadi's?
And how in the world would making a remix merit someone the credit of "additional music"? It wasn't even used in the movie (thank God--can you imagine if that remix started playing? xD) It'd be like that video, "I'm Bane, yes, that's my name...").
I was referring to the Ramin credit, but this is speculation on my part.
"Big thanks for a Begins cue."
Was the cue "Training", and Hans was thanking Ramin for inspiring "A Dark Knight"?
The "thanks for Begins cue." could actually be the theme that plays in Begins where we first meet Bruce after he wakes from a nightmare and then we seem him walking through the prison.
That same theme is played when Selina first meets Bruce in DKR. (which is the first time we, the audience, see him)
Training/second part of Eptesicus seems to build off that theme as well as the parts in Rise and A Dark Knight.
Ramin Djawadi is credited in some way for Training...wonder if he initially wrote it and Hans expanded on it or if it's mostly Hans' stuff, who knows!
Is the Cat Suite time above incorrect? I have only seen two variations of the suite (same with different names Cat Suite and Selina Kyle Suite) and they are the same roughly 5:41. It looks like the tens place may be an error.
This has been discussed before, actually, and no, it's not an error. The suite is long and supposedly very repetitive. And btw, Hybrid, I think some people have asked this before, too, but would you be willing to post the known credits up here? I know you posted them down below, but it's somehow much nicer having them on the cues themselves. :P
Hmm interesting. Or how about a way to search comments Hybird. That would work too :)
Well the comment with some known credits is on this page. Just scroll down about halfway.
I second that request hybrid. I would be grateful if you could upload the long Cat suite. It is the only track I cannot find.
Hi, I am not here to ask about CD downloading, copying or trading. But I am very interested in somehow purchasing this "Dark Knight Rises (complete score)". Because....(with all due respect, and no offense intended)....this score is WAY BETTER than the regular/commercial one available on iTunes/Spotify and the local records store.
So if someone could please direct me to the right source to order/purchase this complete score, it would be tremendously appreciated.
Thank you so much!
Vince, I've asked that same question before about numerous other alleged "complete album" releases that keep getting posted on this site. They are not legitimate releases in many cases. Apparently it's just the webmaster posting all the tracks (released and unreleased) that were from the movie for whatever reason as "unofficial releases".
I'm not sure what particular purpose it serves in constantly posting all the tracks for all these alleged "complete" scores if we cannot ever obtain them. What's the use is showing us stuff we can't get???
Archival purposes for whom Hybrid? We can't even listen to them, let alone purchase them...ever. I appreciate you taking the time to frequently list these complete scores but it seems kind of pointless really.
And they do leak sometimes. In fact the tracklists for some of the previous complete scores were posted here and then leaked somewhere, and even vise-versa.
Almost all of it is on youtube and various other sources. The quality is pretty much as good as the regular mp3 versions you can on find on spotify, etc. You just need some freeware to download it.
Or you can simply download it where it's been posted. G O O G L E
Don't forget the quality. The scorpranos leak (though an mp3) provided at 320kbps, still had volume issues. Half of the tracks needed readjustment for hearing, and that would cause quality loss. So getting the actual CD that contains the real FLAC deal would be most beneficial.
Now that I've finally heard the Transfiguration Suite....first of all, it's awesome....Second, although it is essentially the New Hero Suite in Chasing the Convoy's tempo, who arranged it that way? Hans? Lorne? Someone else?
Guess would be Hans' arrangement and then they temped that in and built the Chasing the Convoy cue from that.
Well, what I meant was, "Who took that segment of Hans' New Hero Suite and made it all fast and spastic (in other words, who turned it into the Transfiguration suite)?" But seeing as it's on Hans' own page, I guess it's all him. :)
...And then, yes, as you say, they used it to make Chasing the Convoy East... ;)
oh my gosh! like it :)
To bad these suites haven't gotten a proper release. I think TDKR had the best suites of the trilogy (though Begins worked best within the film).
The Moody Bruce Transfiguration suite I heard here is very much different from the one that I heard in the complete score(which I got from well some where on the internet :P). Wonder why?
Was the one you got from the complete score "Aurora" under another name? :P
Just a smartass would fooled everyone... Apparently it worked...
Thank you all the same for posting the real one, Hybrid.
Mike, don't know mate. Found the link in google search. The quality of the sound is also not good :(
And yes Thanks very much Hybrid for posting the real one. Superb stuff. But please, when will the player be back?
Yes don't worry it's just the old player didn't work on smartphones... So we're switching, but it needs some work... :)
Revisited the Moody Bruce suite. And again got addicted to it. It's on repeat mode since 3 days. Absolutely Awesome.
Okay, everybody, I know this is super nerdy of me, but I thought some of you may wanna see/hear it for yourselves....In the Batman Chased cue, when Batman is surrounded by cops and blows up the car to make a ramp, they temp-tracked in the end of the Batmobile Chase cue from Begins. But just now I decided to play part of the Wayne Manor suite over that scene. It was the part beginning at about 7:00 (the more electronic staccato version of "Why Do We Fall?"). Anyway, it really worked! The way it builds slowly as Batman looks around at the swarm of police cars, then there's a determination when he gets on the Batpod. They could have shortened it and then had the part from 8:06-8:08 play when he jumped the ramp and landed.
Yeah, like I said, super nerdy, but pretty neat, and anyway, we're all nerds here, right? ;)
anyone else notice that in the scene when john blake is about to get shot and batman jumps down and saves him, john blake's punching of christopher judge's character follows the percussion of the music?
Yeah, I definitely noticed that. It's almost like they based the punching on the music, but that doesn't seem likely since they would have had to time the entire sequence correctly (so that the music starts when Batman jumps down and so that the punches follow the music). But it isn't likely that they based the music on the punching, either, because the music there was a simple temp track.....
Maybe it's an homage to the 60s Batman. You know - nanananana POW! nananana WHAM! nanana SMACK!
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The music accentuating something that happens on screen. How unusual for film music...
It would be pretty unusual for a Nolan movie... :p
hybrid could you put up the known credits for this one?
You could just, like, scroll down a few threads...
lol...Well, in Anonymous' defense, I think there was an error in Hybrid's crediting of "Without a Rope" in the comments below (Hybrid said it was Hans and Lorne, but now it appears it was by Hans and Steve Mazzaro). Also, when Hybrid uploaded the credits onto the POTC3 page, there were a couple credits that he hadn't given before.
Question.....what does the sequence programmer do? Because in the end credits of this movie, only Lorne Balfe is credited with additional music/arrangements, while the four guys listed here and on the album with additional arrangements (Andrew Kawczynski, Jasha Klebe, JunkieXL & Steve Mazzaro) are credited just with "sequencer programming". So what does sequencer programming mean that would make these guys arrangers?