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Hallo,<br><br>Der 'Gladiator' ist schon langsam in die Jahre gekommen, die Musik ist aber nicht šlter geworden. Genial.<br><br>GruŖ  <br><br>Not bad score.<br><br>But I prefer the other oneIsnít that ironic that DC is abandoning the continuity while Marvel is finally embracing it?<br><br>For any electronic fans out there, this score is definitely a must listen, there are some badass 80ís beats (with a dash of Tron legacy) in here.I'm so mad at DC right now I'd rather promote Marvel !! lol<br><br><br>Well jokes aside I add cause Andrew worked on it. And btw he posted another 5 min cue on his Soundcloud, dunno if it's unreleased, there'll better specialists of that score than me !Yeah, I happen to have seen the film and the score is not really "coherent", it's more like many different cues put together...
Okay, thanks for clearing that up. The Tracks released were kind of interesting, a kind of mix of soundsAnyone else think Hans knew about all the studio meddling during pre-production, the rewrites etc and walked away ? I mean, when I heard Elfman's score I thought it was generic and wouldn't fit the movie. Then I watched the movie and it fits well. The movie is just as bland as the music in the background.I don't have to ask, that movie was a failure that barely got distributed... No one had any interest in releasing this score...Hybrid, did you ever ask Hans why this score wasn't released?After watching the movie, I just have to say it was okay. It had some great moments but for me it had also many problems. And one of them was the music. For most of the part it wasn't even noticeable and when it was, it was like random background music with no really emotion or heart.<br><br>BvS and MoS movies can be criticized for some things but the score is not one of them. The movie gave the movie a strong and powerful side, as well as a heart and emotion into it. In this movie there were so many moments that needed different score. <br>***SPOILERS***<br>Superman's resurrection needed the MoS in full epic form. Wonder Woman at the bank at the beggining needed her theme with the electric cello in full power.<br>The Batman theme at the beginning when he is after that Parademon.<br>We should have a really memorable theme for the whole Justice League as well as for each individual member.<br>The scenes with Clark and Lois at the house in Kansas and when his mother sees him, this needed the piano theme from This Is Clark kent or something like that.<br>And that final moments with Superman opening his shirt showing the Superman logo and then flying to the sky, we needed something like "What Are You Going To Do When You're Not Saving The World?" or "Flight" and not that unmemorable music we got.<br><br>I really hope that the petition of the Extended Cut of the movie made by Zack with Junkie's music gets to be released someday, but for now, I'm disappointed.
Sounds fun!!<br>Thanks for the linkAny ideas on the Chronological Order of the Tracks?<br>I made a start here...<br><br><br>Logos<br>Batman On The Roof<br>Everybody Knows - Titles<br>Wonder Woman Rescue<br><br>...<br>Icky Thump<br>Aquaman In Atlantis<br>...<br>1m1a Krypton (from Man Of Steel)<br>Spark Of The Flash<br>Friends And Foes<br>...<br>Come Together - Credits<br>Anti-Hero Theme - CreditsNo, they are the full score cues- as presented in the film. The presentation of the final three tracks on the first disc are edited down for timing.* I posted this at filmtracks and wanted to share it here as well. <br><br>Danny Elfman's comments are very disrespectful and so disappointing for a creative person to hear, especially for composers. Nostalgia is a big problem with Hollywood and it's a simple Jedi mind trick. It's slightly different, but the same meal over and over with different seasoning. Imagine if James Horner didn't get to write the score he wanted for Spider-Man? Or Zimmer had to use Elfmans Batman theme for the DK triliolgy or BvS? Or Shirley Walkers incredible Batman theme for Batman: Mask of the Phantasm. Or Giacchino just used the original star trek theme, or the original Star Wars themes for Rogue One and created nothing new at all? How boring and uninspiring for the composers not being able to challenge themselves to create new original music.<br><br>Whether you like these scores or not isn't important, the pursuit to create something new is what drives a creative person and gives us freedom in choosing something to enjoy and not enjoy. I love the original Batman theme by Elfman but I love it in the Burton films. I love Zimmer scores for both the DK trilogy and BvS. I am happy I can enjoy both types of scores and films but there are those who don't and that's a great thing because that means we are not all the same and that brings variety of opinion and taste which creates real conversation and most importantly gives an identity to a project.<br><br>It's easy to go back to original ideas, but I respect the creators who actually take the risk and want to try and do something new. If Danny Elfman stands by his words he should have just used the original Batman theme from the Tv Show and film or the original Spider-Man theme. Oops he didn't and we got a whole new Batman theme and Spider-man theme which most of us love. Thank god he didn't stick to using the original themes. The Batman reboots and superman and Spider-man reboots are completely different takes on the characters and that's why they deserve their own new themes and soundscapes. The only time I think an original theme from a film should be used in a new film with the same characters is if it's actually a sequel or prequel connected to that actual original film. Re-boots should always have new original music.<br><br>In the end the comments from Elfman are simply stupid and uninspiring and it's definitely a hidden ego coming through I never new he had which is a shame. I remember what Zimmer said about Danny Elfman's Batman theme being a bit jolly, but that's not attacking Elfman at all, it's how he felt and heard the music and felt that that style wouldn't fit in the new batman films ect.. I have always found the original Batman theme a bit on the jolly side too and I love it because it nails Burton's take on the character and world. That theme is for Keaton's Batman, no one else's.<br><br>One final point, if we keep wanting to just revisit the past and hear and see the same thing over and over and not be challenged with new ideas, what a damn uninspiring and boring world of creativity we will live in.<br><br>All the best to you all!<br><br>so...based on what junkie says here, Elfman is basically just rehashing old shit, as well as other people's old shit....Unless you want to say he's taking his Batman theme into a whole different direction that he didn't really have a desire to do before...until now....<br><br>In that case, "whatever" is all I have to say.
Nice stuff! I still can't believe this score hasn't gotten a release.That's unfortunate. With this score, I think it's obvious that the majority is Jablonsky, as it has a ton of elements from scores he's composed exclusively, but it would still be nice to know who did what, especially with the first and second films. Not sure why there's rarely any proper additional music credits for a lot of the RCP guys, especially considering Zimmer's credits are almost always complete. <br><br>However that cuesheet of the extended score is very interesting. Hopefully if it leaks, all those cues remain there.Damn that sounds different from Elfman's commentsThe funny thing is an interview he gave 1 months before being replaced... Saying pretty much the opposite of Elfman !<br><br>"Itís a massive undertaking. And I canít say anything about Justice League specifically, but Iíll tell you this, and this was exactly the same experience that Hans and I had when we did work together on Man of Steel and Batman v Superman: Itís like when you see a movie like that, these iconic superhero movies, some of them have a 60 to 80 year legacy, multiple composers had a go at their themes, multiple filmmakers did their version of these charactersóitís very scary. You watch a movie and itís like, ďHoly shit, now I have to come up with something.Ē Youíve got sweaty hands and youíre nervous, and you talk about it over and over againóand I have exactly that relationship with Zack Snyderóand then Zack said, ĒThereís only one thing you can do, and that is embrace this character as if itís your own, keep it close to your musical soul, and just do whatever you feel is the right thing to do for this character.Ē Thatís the only thing we can do. Thatís what all these great directors did back in the day, and thatís what all these great composers did back in the day. It makes no sense for me to do extensive quoting of Hansí score of the really amazing Batmans. It makes no sense for me to quote Superman from John Williams. Because all fantastic composers, they all did the same thing, they did something that was close to their heart, and I have to do exactly the same thing on this movie. You know this is Movie Number 4 that Iím doing with Zack, so you build a friendship and itís built on trust and loyalty. You know how to challenge each other, you know what to expect on the other side, and itís this really open, amazing dialogue about where to take this franchise."I can confirm that he had already worked on it quite a bit, because he said so in one of his Studio Time episodes.
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Hans ZimmerShirley WalkerJay Rifkin
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Black Rain (Limited)
Label: La-La Land Records
Length: 141'57
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CD1
  1. Sato Pt. 1 - One-Way Glass (6:34)
  2. Osaka - Phony Cops (1:46)
  3. You Gonna Be Nice? - Sato Pt. 2 (5:21)
  4. Sato Watching - Circling Motorbikes (1:59)
  5. Sugai's Photo - Sato Pt. 3 (3:58)
  6. Sato Pt. 4 (2:05)
  7. Charlie Loses His Head (8:22)
  8. Sequins (2:42)
  9. Masa's Reprimand - Sugai Pt. 1 (5:33)
  10. The Steel Mill (2:45)
  11. Steel Mill Chase - Airplane - Escape (6:18)
  12. Sugai Pt. 2 (8:50)
  13. Arrival Of Oyabuns - Sato's Arrival - Meeting (7:55)
  14. Bikes - Fight - Nick And Masa (9:29)
CD2
    ORIGINAL EMI ALBUM
  1. Livin' On The Edge Of The Night - Iggy Pop (3:38)
  2. The Way You Do The Things You Do - UB 40 (3:15)
  3. Back To Life - Soul II Soul (5:07)
  4. Laserman - Ryuichi Sakamoto (4:48)
  5. Singing In The Shower - Les Rita Mitsouko & Sparks (4:22)
  6. I'll Be Holding On - Gregg Allman (5:38)
    BLACK RAIN SUITE
  7. Sato (4:45)
  8. Charlie Loses His Head (7:03)
  9. Sugai (6:55)
  10. Nick And Masa (2:52)
    BONUS TRACKS
  11. Airplane Muzak (Source) - Shirley Walker (2:05)
  12. Charlie Loses His Head Pt. 1 (Alternate Percussion) (2:32)
  13. Charlie Loses His Head Pt. 2 (Alternate With Koto & Oboe) (2:47)
  14. Masa's Reprimand (Alternate) (1:49)
  15. Bikes - Fight (Alternate) (3:18)
  16. Bikes (Percussion Only) (1:35)
  17. Charlie Loses His Head (Monks Wild) (2:12)
  18. I'll Be Holding On (Main Title Version) - Gregg Allman (2:36)
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Frank reply Replies: 0 || 2014-04-08 05:02:43
The last part of "Charlie loses his head" seems to be the source of Dark Knight, it is very similar with the theme from TDKR

MacArthur reply Replies: 1 || 2013-08-27 02:44:24
Love This Soundtrack


Tommy2013-11-20 15:40:35
yeah, me too !! 5/5

kwolf reply Replies: 0 || 2013-01-05 03:09:36
with all the respect in the world for mr zimmer and i think in modern times he is as GOOD as IT WAS the legendary ENNIO MORRICONE do have a question on the soundtrack on BLACK rain..i've searched all his soundtrack who are brilliant but i've missed one..when SUGAI enters the club and before that minute 54 and 15-20-30 seconds what's the name of the song..it;s driving me mad searching for it..i have the original dvd and all sound track on my computer all except that!!

Trent Easton Navarro reply Replies: 0 || 2012-12-27 18:18:23
La La Land has announced that they'll release another Zimmer score next year! Really curious which one it'll be.

Days of Thunder would be very cool. And I'm still hoping for an expanded The Peacemaker.

T-Mann036 reply Replies: 9 || 2012-10-01 03:21:37
This is ultimately one of the best film scores Hans have ever composed in 1990. Even for an expanded score with additional music from the late Shirley Walker and recording artists from UB40, Iggy Pop, etc., this is truly a must have and a part of the RCP Collector's library.


Cloud2012-10-01 13:34:31
To me this is one of the best scores he has ever composed, period. It's easily among my top 3 favorites of his. Then again, when I listen to Hans, I listen almost always to his late 80s/90s/early 00s stuff.


Dawn2012-10-02 13:11:20
@Cloud I feel the same. Late 80's, all 90's and early 2000's... what a great era for film music lovers !


Aggelos2012-10-03 11:49:42
You're right folks. Late '80s and '90s contain the most fantastic stuff from the RCP team. From early 2000, it would seem that the decline-twilight of the memorable theme/cues begins....

Sanguinely, LLL and Intrada will bring to light more of them (remember Intrada's White Fang).


Cloud2012-10-03 13:41:15
I included the early 00s solely because of scores like Gladiator, Black Hawk Down, Hannibal, Spirit or The Last Samurai. These are all great. To me, the last big score of that era was King Arthur. After that, things started to change considerably.

That being said, I really hope LLL or someone decides to release Bird on a Wire and Days of Thunder.


Trent Easton Navarro2012-10-03 16:16:15
Yeah, King Arthur was probably Zimmer's last great score.

And I second Bird on Wire and Days of Thunder! But great scores that need to be released officially


Ds2012-10-03 22:52:58
I think you people are forgetting Pirates 2 & 3! Especially the 3rd!


Prott2012-10-03 23:15:57
... and The Da Vinci Code (at least).


Dawn2012-10-04 01:17:40
Yes, Da Vinci Code and Pirates 3, or even Inception were really good in their own right... but they were exceptions in this "new" era.

I don't know if it is film music that changed, or if it was just me, but from 1995 to 2003, I was excited every 3 months with something new. Then it started to decrease.
Yes I liked King Arthur, but it was not half as good as Gladiator or Black Hawk Down were.
Batman Begins, though it is now iconic and an important evolution in film music, still remains for me a little bit uninteresting and weak.

Maybe I started to get older and lost some natural childood enthusiasm ? Or was there a real decline in quality or inspiration ?... don't know.


fabien2012-11-01 18:13:53
some amazing unreleased part of Nick and Masa theme now released !!!!

bongo reply Replies: 2 || 2012-09-30 18:29:22
Just wondering does this release contain more unreleased music than the complete score bootleg release?


Hybrid Soldier2012-09-30 19:37:25
It does. ;)


bongo2012-09-30 22:45:54
Thankee, ordering right now!

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 15 || 2012-06-30 20:55:15
Just announced by LLL, to be released later !!! :D


Anonymous2012-06-30 21:07:05
You beat me to it! Wahey!!!


Adrian2012-07-01 01:33:35
A big like, great news :-)


Ravi2012-07-01 06:27:49
Indeed, great news! So cool to see all these awesome HZ scores being released - Broken Arrow, White Fang and now this. Here's hoping that Lion King and Gladiator aren't too far. :-)


Cloud2012-07-01 17:02:01
Oh, boy. LLL saves the day once again. Black Rain has to be the quintessential Zimmer action score and my absolute alltime favorite of his. This is as good as ordered.


Mikel SiW (a fan from Spain)2012-07-02 13:31:32
Another miracle from La-La Land!!


Pawel Stroinski2012-07-30 01:15:23
The score will be probably released this August. Lala already "announced" that it will be their next release.


Aggelos2012-09-17 14:25:34
No August dudes. End of Sep or early October.
It's gonna be the wickedness!!! LLL needs to tackle more Media Ventures stuff! What on earth have they been doin'?.....

I'm losing my composure and patience!


Aggelos2012-09-18 09:16:17
The shit will be out September 25.
If not, then October 9.


Hybrid Soldier2012-09-18 16:44:12
Coming next week, the 25th !!!! :D


Aggelos2012-09-18 17:32:38
You don't say, bro! Count me in! It's about time to get another fine Zimmer release by triple L. Stop your grinning and drop your linen!

I was hoping some signed copies but the out hopes were trashed by "No signed Black Rain copies. Altough the project was produced with the blessing of Mr. Zimmer."


Trent Easton Navarro2012-09-18 20:00:03
Definitely looking forward to this one! One of Zimmer's finest action scores!


Aggelos2012-09-21 14:59:35
Guys, this score was conducted by Shirley. But what exactly did Shirley conduct in this one?
Was she conducting Hans' fingers whilst he performing and sequencing the music on his synthesizer?


Hybrid Soldier2012-09-21 19:23:42
There's an orchestra in that score.

Not a big one, but there is... ;)


Hybrid Soldier2012-09-25 22:23:36
And here we go ! :)


Aggelos2012-09-26 19:06:02
Yes bro! Freaking ordered without second thoughts!!

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