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Andrew, you just made the same argument that I have been making all along, but in reverse.  I have said numerous times that it takes just as much faith to believe in evolution as it does to believe in God.  Either idea requires that something came from nothing.  Science and logic states that this simply cannot not happen, matter cannot be created or destroyed right?  So since matter was created against the laws of science, then there must have been a supernatural force involved.  Again I ask.. if I'm wrong, what have I lost?  Whereas if you are wrong, what do you stand to lose if the Bible is indeed true?  I'll take my chances with God.I agree with Anonymous on the problems with evolution.  Evolution requires a complete circle of reasoning to verify itself. The rock strata layers are dated by the fossils they contain, but those very fossils are dated by assumptions that the theory of evolution is true is true in the first place. That is just bad science and every logically thinking person out there should understand that. <br><br>It is no different that all the global warming alarmists like Al Gore claiming the Polar Ice Cap would be melted by now, but instead NASA has stated it has nearly doubled in size adding an area equal to the size of Alaska. In the 70's the enviro-alarmists were screaming about global cooling, then it warmed up a little and they changed it to global warming, then (darn it) it started cooling  again so now the extremists call it climate change.  I just haste it when the facts keep getting in their ideological way.@badbu you posted your double on the same thread.@badbu you posted your double on the same thread.If you are interested, contact Mr. Charles at 528491, Limbo Street, at 4:35 p.m. precisely. Be on Time.
Spot on Ed. No one's been out there since 1972.<br><br>BTW, apart from the meteor showers, the value is actually about 30 kg per day, which gives about 11000 tons per year, which is closer to the current estimate, 15000.<br><br>As for the moon dust theory, Moon has a mass 1.21% of that of Earth, but a surface area 6% of Earth. Also, the dust is evenly spread all over the Moon, unlike Earth (You know, rocks and deserts).He's got nothing... lolDude share,share,share.... i want complete scoreEdmund, I like your comparison with TLS, so true!<br><br>Hybrid, thanks for taking the time to answer :-)<br><br>I would love to be able to perform an Inception on Hans, to make him add "Budget Meeting" to his next tour's setlist :p9m34 GOD v.2 <3
It really is the incestuous son of POTC 1 & Last Samurai... And it's direct son is POTC 2... lolI think this is one of the most underrated scores in the Zimmer canon, some of his most unadulterated BIG action writing. I see it kind of as a badass take-no-prisoners sibling to the more calm, reflective Last Samurai. I wish (but doubt) that Hans would return to this mode sometime soon.It's the film codename...what the hell does the LC mean?I personally like this film a lot and of course the score (Well when you have a score done by Hans with Jablonsky, Morris, Dooley, NGS, RGW, Blake Neely, it's not exactly the ugliest team who worked with Hans ! :D).<br><br>I did mention him this score last year, he told me he wrote some suites for it (which are unreleased) which he likes a lot. Not sure he's a huge fan of the film though, the track title "All Of Them!" is actually a joke about a scene that got cut which just made no sense, where Arthur was asking how many saxons were there and he got as an answer "All of them !", and the scoring team had quite a good laugh...
Hybrid, did you ever get the chance to speak about this score with Hans? It is in my opinion one of the (if not THE) most epic stuff he's written, but curiously I've never heard him mentionning it in any interview. And it wasn't featured during the Revealed concerts (the most notable omission, along with The Last Samurai). Didn't he enjoy doing it? Or is it just because this movie has a bad reputation?<br><br>I'm asking this because I'm curious, and because I just replayed it for the first time in several weeks, and it blew me away (again).Well posting this won't get you far, it's resulting from the Sony hacking... Those files haven't leaked anyway, and probably won't anytime soon...LC 1m01 c6v3 0122 v1.00 SJL MIX 02-24 St Mix<br>LC 1m01a c3v3 1125 v1.13 SJL MIX 02-24 St Mix<br>LC 1m01a c5v5 0106 v3.09 SJL MIX 05-24 St Mix<br>LC 1m01b c5v4 0104 v2.06 SJL MIX 14-24 St Mix<br>LC 1m02 c5v5 0106 v23.01 SJL MIX 04-24 St Mix RPT 2<br>LC 1m03 c5v4 0104 v5.09 SJL MIX 10-24 St Mix WIDE v2<br>LC 1m04a c5v5 0106 v1.03 SJL MIX 02-24 St Mix<br>LC 1m05 c6v4 0124 v7.01 SJL MIX 05-24 St Mix<br>LC 1m08 c5v5 0106 v2.04 SJL MIX 02-24 St Mix<br>LC 2m09 c5v3 0102 v1.16 SJL MIX 02-24 St Mix<br>LC 2m10 c6v2pt 0122 v10.08 SJL MIX 09-24 St Mix<br>LC 2m10 c7v2 0131 v10.09 SJL MIX 13-24 St Mix<br>LC 2m10 c7v2 0131 v10.13 SJL Mix 15-24 St Mix<br>LC 2m11 c5v3 0102 v2.02 SJL MIX 01-24 St Mix<br>LC 2m12 c5v3 0102 v1.02 SJL MIX 04-24 St Mix<br>LC 2m12 c7v2 0131 v1.03 AK SJL MIX 01-24 St Mix<br>LC 2m12 c7v2 0131 v1.03 SJL MIX 02-24 St Mix<br>LC 2m16 c5v3 0102 v1.07 SJL MIX 03-24 St Mix<br>LC 2m18 c5v3 0102 v1.03 SJL MIX 02-24 St Mix<br>LC 2m18 c5v3 0102 v5.00 SJL MIX 01-24 St Mix<br>LC 2m19 c5v3 0102 v1.13 SJL MIX 03-16 Pno NEW PNO<br>LC 2m20 c5v3 0102 v1.06 SJL MIX 09-24 St Mix<br>LC 2m20 c7v4 0131 v1.08 AK INS SJL MIX 02-24 St Mix<br>LC 2m22 c5v3 1220 v2.00 SJL MIX 01-24 St Mix<br>LC 3m23 c3v3 1125 v22 SJL MIX 02-24 St Mix<br>LC 3m24 c5v5 0110 v1.04 SJL MIX 02-24 St Mix<br>LC 3m26 c5v4 0103 v1.06 SJL MIX 03-24 St Mix<br>LC 3m28 c5v4 0103 v1.02 SJL MIX 02-24 St Mix<br>LC 3m30 c5v3 1220 v1.08 SJL MIX 03-24 St Mix<br>LC 4m31a c5v3 0103 v3.11 SJL MIX 09-24 St Mix<br>LC 4m31b c5v3 0103 v1.06 SJL MIX 07-24 St Mix<br>LC 4m31b c6v3 0123 v2.03 SJL MIX 01-24 St Mix<br>LC 4m32 c5v3 0103 v2.03 SJL MIX 03-24 St Mix<br>LC 4m32 c7v2 0201 v4.00 SJL MIX 02-24 St Mix<br>LC 4m37 c5v3 0103 v2.04 SJL MIX 04-24 St Mix<br>LC 4m39 c5v3 0103 v5.05 SJL MIX 03-24 St Mix<br>LC 4m40 c5v3 0103 v1.03 SJL MIX 03-24 St Mix<br>LC 4m41 c5v3 0103 v1.09 SJL MIX 02-24 St Mix<br>LC 5m41c c5v4 0105 v1.03 SJL MIX 02-24 St Mix<br>LC 5m42 c6v2 0116 v2.03 SJL MIX 03-24 St Mix<br>LC 5m42a c7v3 0203 v3.00 SJL MIX 02-24 St Mix<br>LC 5m44 c3v6 1126 v6.01 SJL MIX 01-24 St Mix<br>LC 5m44 c5v4 0105 v9.00 SJL MIX 01-24 St Mix<br>LC 5m45 c6 0113 v2.14 SJL MIX 02-24 St Mix<br>LC 5m45a c6v2 0116 v4.00 SJL MIX 02-24 St Mix<br>LC 6m46 c5v4 0106 v3.04 SJL MIX 03-24 St Mix<br>LC 6m46 c7v3 0203 v4.07 SJL MIX 01-24 St Mix<br>LC 6m46 c7v3 0203 v4.07 Alt SJL MIX 02-24 St Mix<br>LC 6m47 c5v4 0106 v2.01 SJL MIX 01-24 St Mix<br>LC 6m47a c6v3 0123 v2.01 SJL MIX 04-24 St Mix<br>LC 6m48 c5v4 0106 v2.03 SJL MIX 02-24 St Mix<br>LC 6m50 c6 0113 v1.01 SJL MIX 01-24 St Mix<br>LC 6m51 c6v3 0123 v2.16 SJL MIX 02-24 St Mix<br>LC 6m51 c7v3 0203 v3.03 SJL MIX 01-24 St Mix<br>LC 6m52 c7 0203 v6.03 SJL MIX 10-24 St Mix<br>LC 6m53_54 c5v4 0106 v1.12 SJL MIX 05-24 St Mix<br>LC 7m55 c7v2 0201 v2.06 SJL MIX 03-24 St Mix<br>LC 7m56 c6 0117 v1.03 SJL MIX 02-24 St Mix<br>LC 7m57 c7v2 0204 v2.06 SJL MIX 02-24 St Mix<br>LC 7m58a c7v2 0204 v1.04 SJL MIX 03-24 St Mix<br>LC 7m59 c6v4 0125 v4.05 SJL MIX 03-24 St Mix<br>LC 7m60 c6 0117 v1.00 SJL MIX 01-24 St Mix<br>LC 7m60 c6 0117 v1.00 ALT SJL MIX 01-24 St Mix<br>LC 7m61 c6v4 0125 v4.05 SJL MIX 02-24 St Mix<br>LC 7m61 c6v4 0125 v5.00 SJL MIX 01-24 St Mix<br>LC 7m61 c6v4 0125 v6.02 SJL MIX 01-24 St Mix<br>LC 8m62 c7v4 0201 v1.05 SJL MIX 02-24 St Mix<br>LC 8m63 c7v4 0201 v5.07 SJL MIX 03-24 St MixThe scientists who thought there would be that much dust on the moon were from the 50s - there was some guy whose name I forget who estimated that the earth got 5 million tons of space dust a year, and assumed the moon would get a proportional amount. Later research has shown those dust estimates to be wildly overinflated - the real amount is more in the neck of 25,000 tons a year.<br><br>I even found creation science websites that advised people not to use the moon dust argument because of, you know, how it's about 50 years out of date.Nokia trailer -> Man of Steel!
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  1. A Storm Is Coming (0:37)
    Hans Zimmer
  2. On Thin Ice (2:55)
    Hans Zimmer, Jasha Klebe
  3. Gotham's Reckoning (4:08)
    Hans Zimmer
  4. Mind If I Cut In? (3:27)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe, Jasha Klebe
  5. Underground Army (3:12)
    Hans Zimmer, Andrew Kawczynski
  6. Born In Darkness (1:57)
    Hans Zimmer
  7. The Fire Rises (5:33)
    Hans Zimmer
  8. Nothing Out There (2:51)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe
  9. Despair (3:14)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe
  10. Fear Will Find You (3:08)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe
  11. Why Do We Fall? (2:03)
    Hans Zimmer
  12. Death By Exile (0:23)
    Hans Zimmer
  13. Imagine The Fire (7:25)
    Hans Zimmer
  14. Necessary Evil (3:16)
    Hans Zimmer
  15. Rise (7:11)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe

    Digital Bonus Tracks :

  16. Bombers Over Ibiza (Junkie XL Remix) (5:51)
    Hans Zimmer, Junkie XL
  17. No Stone Unturned (7:29)
    Hans Zimmer
  18. Risen From Darkness (4:28)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe
  19. The Shadows Betray You (5:20)
    Hans Zimmer
  20. The End (6:13)
    Hans Zimmer
  21. All Out War (3:21)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe

    Origins (The Dark Knight Rises Z+ Apple App Exclusive) :

  22. Wayne Manor (22:05)
    Hans Zimmer
  23. Bane (19:49)
    Hans Zimmer
  24. Orphan (4:51)
    Hans Zimmer
  25. Selina Kyle (5:41)
    Hans Zimmer
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josh reply Replies: 5 || 2014-12-22 08:56:29
Mtv and nokia trailer music ?


not josh again2014-12-22 10:23:34
What are you talking about?


badbu2014-12-22 10:26:04
Nokia trailer -> Man of Steel!


badbu2014-12-22 10:26:04
Nokia trailer -> Man of Steel!


not josh, not badbu either2014-12-22 17:57:33
@badbu you posted your double on the same thread.


not josh, not badbu yet again2014-12-22 17:58:20
@badbu you posted your double on the same thread.

josh reply Replies: 1 || 2014-12-22 08:56:28
Mtv and nokia trailer music ?


not josh2014-12-22 10:23:16
What are you talking about?

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2014-11-22 18:37:16
i think some of the credits above are incorrect :)

Aragorn reply Replies: 6 || 2013-06-28 20:49:00
Have any of you heard Vitaliy Zavadskyy's Dark Knight Rises piece? IMO it's somewhat better than the final score.


score_trader2013-06-28 21:09:50
No.


Aragorn2013-06-29 04:38:04
Well, it's good. :)


John2014-03-03 02:44:13
Most of those You-Tube fan-made scores are phenomenal !! I wish Zimmer composed those pieces !! I added them onto my TDKR Complete Score playlist !!


isildur2014-03-03 11:56:50
Yes Zavadskyy's is very good. But I don't think it's better than the actual score. Did you hear "Moody Bruce Suite" here? It's absolutely incredible.


Aragorn2014-03-03 15:38:25
Both the moody bruce suites (the fast, transfiguration one and the regular one) are awesome, but notice I said it was better than the FINAL score, as in, the score as heard in the film. In the movie they hardly used either of those two suites! :(


NM2014-06-21 20:05:35
Had a listen to his Dark Knight Rises thing. I thought it was alright, listenable, it's easy to arrange something like that in the abstract though.

However no way it's better than the final score in a million years. One can ignore the synthesised instruments and the flat mix but as an arrangement it's just bits of old tunes with very minimal changes. I didn't hear any narrative. If he'd really spiced it up, injected some kick, maybe layered some tunes over each-other I'd have been more impressed. As it stands it's just a remake. As an amateur/semipro, who wouldn't even call themselves particularly good, I could've arranged that in a few hours.

That said, I think it's fair game to do those sorts of stuff to draw attention to yourself, or even just for fun and indeed it intrigued me enough to go check out his own website to hear his own original compositions, but sadly it seemed to be broken.

Mike reply Replies: 0 || 2014-03-03 15:42:21
I see Hybrid's initial crediting of the Without a Rope cue was incorrect....didn't he say it was Lorne Balfe before? Interesting either way.

RealFfingMusic reply Replies: 0 || 2014-02-21 16:01:00
What are the bonus tracks called in the complete score?

Mike reply Replies: 1 || 2014-01-11 03:22:32
Wouldn't "A Storm is Coming" be Mel Wesson, while "Why Do We Fall?" would be credited to Hans Zimmer and Lorne Balfe?


Mike2014-01-11 03:23:44
Oh, oops, sorry. I see I asked this before. My apologies for bothering with it again. ;)

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2013-12-19 21:39:31
so rise is basically just the orphan suite by zimmer and the cues at the end of TDK in succession....

Mike reply Replies: 0 || 2013-12-14 03:52:21
Are the credits to Zimmer alone here (Gotham's Reckoning, Necessary Evil, and No Stone Unturned) official, or were they put here in absence of knowledge regarding who actually did them? Because shouldn't "A Storm is Coming" be credited to Mel Wesson, and "Why Do We Fall?" be credited to Hans Zimmer and Lorne Balfe?

Anonymous reply Replies: 2 || 2013-11-13 21:13:40
i guess the orphan suite (same music from rise) was written way back in 2011, because it was used in the film's first teaser trailer


Mark2013-11-13 21:32:27
Huuuh, this suite was written by zimmer in TDK and known as The Dark Knigh '' the 16 minutes suite''


Anonymous2013-11-13 23:22:56
well yeah but it's slowed-down in the orphan suite and doesn't have the ostinato in the background. it's the same theme but a different arrangement of it.

MacArthur reply Replies: 1 || 2013-10-02 20:39:45
Hybrid: Just a real quick question. Will the Origins ever get released. And not be exclusive to the app, (like being released on iTunes)


Mike2013-10-19 20:57:10
I think the app is the best release of that stuff we'll be getting, sadly.

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2013-10-04 02:18:35
You guys ever hear a fanmade track from 2011 entitled "The Hunt"? You can find it on YouTube, and it was a pretty clever mix of Hans' themes with variation and some fan-written ones.

MacArthur reply Replies: 8 || 2013-09-16 00:55:10
Oddly enough My all out war is 5:11 long and it's listed as 3:21


Mortifer V.2013-09-16 01:07:46
That's a different "All Out War": the one you have is from the complete score, the music which is playing during the beginning of the final battle. This "All Out War" is another bonus track; the first half of it plays after Batman frees the cops trapped underground, until Selina rides off on the Batpod in the next scene. The second half plays when Bruce Wayne is taken with a bag over his head to Lucius Fox. (check out Wikipedia).


MacArthur2013-09-16 06:24:00
Cool Thanks for the info.


MacArthur2013-09-17 18:28:56
I found my "All Out War" on youtube, and the Recordings on there are not very good. how do you master it. or find a better copy


Areozz2013-09-17 19:38:47
The 'recordings' on YouTube are not very good quality BECAUSE you found them on YouTube. You can get a better copy by looking NOT on YouTube. If you want to 'master' it, you could go to school for several years, become a sound engineer, and purchase hundreds or thousands of dollars' worth of high tech audio equipment.


MacArthur2013-09-17 20:12:53
I have already bought Logic pro! lol.


Kusi812013-09-17 21:08:04
... or you do some self studying and invest some of your private time in mastering, cutting and suiting tracks. :) I did start with Magix and after several years I invested some money in Adobe Audition.

My longest project was or is Die Hard With A Vengeance - meanwhile I spent over eight months to make a film version soundtrack. Sadly I did this with the Magix software. Some day I'll "convert this to Audition :)

So happy editing ;-)


Mike2013-09-17 23:00:48
lol, Areozz


GR72013-09-18 11:55:13
Areozz,
with that amount of money, I'd rather recruit a team of hackers to get the whole RCP's database... Jackpot ! ;)

Mike reply Replies: 4 || 2013-09-09 21:52:42
If I had put the album together, I would have wanted the following (just for fun):

1. The whole "Logo" cue
2. The whole "Gotham's Reckoning/Prologue" cue
3. Nothing Out There
4. Blake Visits Wayne Manor/Hospital Visit/Bruce Follows Selina (as one track)
5. Batman Chased (Film Version!!!)
6. Miranda Visits Wayne/Take Me To Bane
7. Instrument of Your Liberation
8. Gotham Is Yours
9. Not Meant To Die Here/No Ordinary Child
10. Without a Rope
11. Get Me To Fox/Gordon Arrested
12. The album track "Despair"
14. All Out War
15. The Full "Not An Ordinary Citizen/Slow Knife" cue
16. The film version of the "Imagine the Fire" cue
17. The film version of "Rise"

With all of this together, the album would be about 4 minutes over an hour, which isn't unreasonable, and IMO would be a much better presentation of the score as a whole.


Mike2013-09-09 21:57:49
Even so, the problem with all three Batman scores is that, short of a 2 disc release, no satisfactory release is present.


Mike2013-09-09 22:02:57
And sorry to keep posting, but one more thing: the bonus tracks could have been on the album, which in and of itself would have been an improvement, while the track "The End" is a pointless regurgitation of "Rise" (even though it's nice) and "The Shadows Betray You" is a subtle version of "Imagine the Fire". They could have replaced those two redundant tracks with more of the in-film music.


MacArthur2013-09-10 00:39:16
The Dark Knight Had a very good release in my opinion


Mike2013-09-10 14:49:31
It did, the 2 disc release was a God-send.

MacArthur reply Replies: 20 || 2013-08-05 19:01:01
I Dont get what people are talking about when they say the Balfe did they film music or some of it this soundtrack is a Zimmer soundtrack but granted Zimmer does let Balfe do some of the other stuff as well. but this is a True Zimmer score


Mike2013-08-05 21:35:53
To me, it all depends on how you view it. Did Hans do the very respectible John Williams thing and do virtually every note and nuance of the score himself, conducting the orchestra while they play the cue for a given scene? No. The way he did it was write a bunch of long theme suites after getting a feel for the film, put in enough music from said suites to populate the whole film (thus creating a rough draft score), and then he let the additional composers--primarily Lorne Balfe--go to work tweaking the "rough draft score", saying how he wants the cue to sound, how to do it, giving thumbs up or down, reworking if he doesn't like it, etc... He's not a traditional film composer exactly, because he doesn't do the individual cues himself except sometimes--even if all the music you hear was indeed written by Zimmer. It's kind of confusing, and the influence of the additional composers is more or less felt depending on the project. The Dark Knight Rises really is Zimmer through and through, but other films, like Inception, At World's End, and Madagascar are more obviously a group effort.


Hybrid Soldier2013-08-05 21:38:45
And so some people still think Williams does 100% of the job... How cute... :)


Mike2013-08-05 21:41:00
I said "virtually" every note for a reason. Still, I'd appreciate any info on his processes. ;)


Mike2013-08-05 21:42:41
And if you're thinking of Attack of the Clones, I know it was a mess. Phantom Menace too, for that matter.


Edmund Meinerts2013-08-05 23:34:09
You can't really point fingers at Williams and say he's as "bad" as Zimmer (assuming ghostwriting is a bad thing, which I don't, but whatever). Williams simply doesn't have ghostwriters. At most he has orchestrators, ones who probably don't even have that much to do in the long run. Even on something like Chamber of Secrets, all William Ross was responsible for doing was arranging Williams cues from Philosopher's Stone into the new movie; he didn't do ANY composing whatsoever and Williams still insisted on his name being on the front cover. Balfe's name SHOULD have been on the front cover of Inception - he practically co-wrote that score.

Again, not saying ghostwriting is a bad thing, nor that Zimmer does it exclusively - Marco Beltrami has Buck Sanders, Michael Giacchino has (or had) Chad Seiter and Chris Tilton, James Newton Howard used to have Chris Bacon - but I think in all of the other cases the primary composer is more, well, primary than it is with Zimmer. Plus, even when Williams uses help from e.g. Ross, he only did that because he ran out of time on Chamber of Secrets, whereas with Zimmer it's the standard mode of operation. Very different situations, I think.

Of course, you know more than we do, Hybrid, so do enlighten us if you can. Especially if you know something about Williams and ghostwriting that we don't.


Hybrid Soldier2013-08-05 23:58:33
Running in circles, running in circles & running in circles...

We're like a very bad Matrix remake or something...


JamesT2013-08-06 05:00:45
Hahaha. What in the world? Can't anyone just enjoy the music? Next thing you know, some is going to ask for a pregnancy test......


Bou2013-08-06 12:57:56
And...How's the music by the way?


Mike2013-08-06 18:16:16
What Edmund mentions about Chamber of Secrets is something which, I think, goes to the credit of the Sherlock Holmes scores, both in album and on film. The album covers and end credits both say, right beneath "Music by Hans Zimmer", "Music Produced by Hans Zimmer and Lorne Balfe". Inception being Edmund's example, I agree Lorne should have been credited as a co-composer, but even if the cover of the album said something like, "Score Produced and Additional Music by Lorne Balfe", I'd be content. Integrity is important in my opinion. If a person composes half the music in a score, as Balfe did on Inception, he should be credited accordingly. I know fully that the lack of proper crediting is not Hans' fault, seeing as he credited Lisa Gerrard, who composed nothing, on Gladiator, but why couldn't Chris Nolan have simply added Balfe's name to the credits? Being credited with additional music and score production is not the same thing as doing half the score. And bear in mind, please, that I'm not bashing Inception's score itself. It's good, for the most part, and works greatly within the movie.


Mike2013-08-06 18:25:17
Lest it sound as though I have contradicted myself: when I said that being credited with score production and additional music is not the same as doing half the score, I meant that being credited with those things near the bottom of the credits where no one looks. If it were right there with Zimmer's name, I'd be mostly fine with it. Still, I'd think co-composer credit would be best. Some will disagree, but I honesly feel like maybe Lorne did as much in Inception as James Newton Howard did in The Dark Knight.


Pierre2013-08-07 15:26:51
Williams essential DOES 100% of the job, from a musical and compositional point of view. All his orchestrators do is copy out EXACTLY what he's written from an 8 bar stave into a full orchestral score. It's not a creative role, it's a logistical role.


MacArthur 2013-08-08 20:50:26
I know things Are always a collaborative effort and i know Zimmer likes help. I'm just saying that This is A Zimmer Score unlike CoDMW2


MacArthur 2013-08-08 20:53:16
I Thought that in reading the inception That Zimmer did most of the work on that score as well. now granted Balfe did some but i dont think he did do that much


Mike2013-08-09 16:29:22
MacArthur, hopefully this will give you an idea of how heavily involved Lorne Balfe was on Inception.

--Remember the One Simple Idea album track? That theme is heard quite a bit throughout the film, and it was composed by Lorne, not Zimmer.
--Remember the "528491" album track? That track, and that same theme in its various forms, is all Lorne. Once again, it's used quite a bit throughout the movie.
--It's also possible that Saito's theme was done by Lorne, since the cue "Saito's Fate" lists Lorne alone, but I'm not sure exactly.

Anyways, in addition to all that, Lorne was the primary guy responsible for arranging the music within the film itself. The only tracks that can pass as 100% Hans Zimmer in the complete score are the latter half of "Extraction" (it uses Hans' Dream is Collapsing piece verbatim), "Mombasa Chase" and "Into the Van" (which are copy-and-paste versions of Hans' Mombasa suite), "Truth Once Known" (which heavily uses Hans' Mal suite), and "Welcome Home, Mr Cobb" (which is basically Hans' Time track turned into a cue, but barely altered from the way Hans' wrote it). All the rest of the score is either Hans and Lorne or, in many cases, Lorne alone.


MacArthur2013-08-11 19:23:48
I Dont Know About 528491 I Listened to it and i thought i Heard some Of Zimmer's Cues From Dream is Collapsing at the very end and also in the middle of the track the rest of it i don't doubt you.


Mike2013-08-12 03:50:44
You're right, it does use the same BRAAAAAHM noise from Dream is Collapsing, but really, that part was neither Hans nor Lorne. It was in Chris Nolan's script for the movie. Hans said that in an interview.


MacArthur2013-08-12 04:51:06
Ha! Thats Pretty Funny Zimmer is A pretty funny guy. Meaning he wrote it haha Awesome I love how he puts things. he said once that Hannibal was the best love theme he ever wrote. lol


MacArthur2013-08-12 19:03:47
As you can tell I'm not really a fan of Lorne Balfe.


Mike2013-08-13 18:30:13
Well, if you happen to like the Inception score as a whole, I wouldn't necessarily say that... :P


MacArthur2013-08-13 21:01:27
Well in listening to the Soundtrack to it i found a lot of the Zimmer Themes used throughout most of the score. now granted Balfe did do some but Zimmer Did Most such as Tracks 1,2,3,4,9,10,12. or it was a Combination of Zimmer & Balfe. Such as Tracks 6,7,10 I would say after that like the tracks you mentioned were Balfe such as Tracks, 11,5.

MacArthur reply Replies: 1 || 2013-08-11 18:31:15
Another thing why cant i get these on a disk why do i have to get the app.


Mike2013-08-11 18:41:23
I agree. Any possibility these suites would get a proper release? The Wayne Manor one specifically is far too good to be relegated to an app.

Mike reply Replies: 1 || 2013-08-03 22:08:30
The No Stone Unturned bonus track is solely a Zimmer cue? Or is it just credited to him alone because we don't know which additional composer did it?


Tom2013-08-04 02:17:55
No Stone Unturned as a reprise of BB train figh, i ask the same question? additional or co-composer did it? JNH... i don't know ;)

Alan reply Replies: 2 || 2013-07-31 22:06:16
holy crap guys!!!1!1

1. 1m0 Logo (1:21)
2. 1m1 Prologue (5:18)
3. 1m2-3 The Truth About Harvey Dent (2:51)
4. 1m5 Room Service (0:16)
5. 1m6 Uncrackable Safe (2:09)
6. 1m7 He Was The Batman (1:01)
7. 1m8 Nothing Out There For Me (3:08)
8. 2m9-10 Bar Shootout (5:36)
9. 2m11 Gordon Underground (2:22)
10. 2m12 Blake Visits Wayne Manor (3:06)
11. 2m13 Hospital Visit-Bruce Follows Selina (2:23)
12. 2m17 For Old Times' Sake (3:22)
13. 2m18 Risen From Darkness (1:45)
14. 3m19 Stock Exchange (5:04)
15. 3m20 Batman Chased (4:29)
16. 3m21 Selina Finds Dagget (2:17)
17. 3m22 Rooftop Fight-Back To Batcave (4:08)
18. 4m23 Handing Over The Reactor (3:36)
19. 4m24 Do You Feel In Charge (1:23)
20. 4m25 Batman Could Be Anybody-Selina Apt. (1:48)
21. 4m26-27 Miranda Visits Wayne-Take Me To Bane (4:16)
22. 4m28 The Shadow Betrays You (1:59)
23. 4m29 Airport Detainee (1:32)
24. 4m30 No True Despair Without Hope (2:38)
25. 5m31 Board Members Taken Hostage (1:19)
26. 5m32 A Child Born In This Hell (1:32)
27. 5m33 Cops Into Sewers-Core Separated (4:35)
28. 5m35 Instrument Of Your Liberation (7:08)
29. 5m36 Gotham Is Yours (4:46)
30. 6m37 Born In Darkness (2:08)
31. 6m38 This Is Bane's Prison (1:08)
32. 6m39 Many Forms Of Immortality (1:34)
33. 6m40 There's A Storm Going On (1:57)
34. 6m41a Not Meant To Die Here (1:39)
35. 6m41b No Ordinary Child (0:58)
36. 6m42 Special Forces Arrive (3:10)
37. 6m43 Someone Sold Us Out (2:33)
38. 6m44 Without A Rope (2:10)
39. 6m45 Gordon To Foley (3:50)
40. 6m46 Get Me To Fox-Gordon Arrested (2:04)
41. 6m47 Bagged Bruce Wayne (2:02)
42. 7m48 Remember Where You Parked It (1:03)
43. 7m49 On Thin Ice-Batman Returns (3:44)
44. 7m50 Come With Me (2:02)
45. 7m51 All Out War (5:14)
46. 7m52-53 Not An Ordinary Citizen (4:47)
47. 7m54 Imagine The Fire (1:45)
48. 7m55 Chasing The Convoy East (3:31)
49. 8m56 A Hero Can Be Anyone (2:35)
50. 8m57 Sacrifice (1:31)
51. 8m58a It Was The Batman (5:12)
52. 8m58b No Stone Unturned (1:29)
53. 8m59 Fernet-Branca (0:31)


thejok3rrules2013-07-31 22:41:13
One question...: Are you fucking kidding me? xD


Mike2013-07-31 23:33:38
Uh....dude...this has been around a long time.

cheesy reply Replies: 2 || 2013-06-04 02:34:59
Are there any making-of clips or featurettes about the music for TDKR with Hans Zimmer? I know about that "Sound of The Dark Knight Rises" one with the editors, but are there any that feature Hans talking about the music more, or some clips of the orchestra playing it?


score_trader2013-06-04 09:06:06
the bluray version has a long featurette that hasn't been uploaded to youtube yet that has demonstrations/interviews with hans, and clips of the orchestra playing a lot of the bane suite and shit.


cheesy2013-06-05 00:24:36
I have the blu ray but I was never able to figure out how to get to any of the featurettes.

Mike reply Replies: 0 || 2013-06-21 21:49:58
I think the main "Dark Knight" theme (the one heard in "A Dark Knight", "Rise", and "The End") might be one of my favorite Zimmer themes. Regardless of how I hear it (in its hopeful, end-of-movie form, in its tragic, Batman-sacrificed-himself form, in its epic "Like a Dog Chasing Cars" form, or in its choir arrangement in "Aurora"), I'm always moved by it. Bravo, Zimmer.

george reply Replies: 2 || 2013-05-19 04:10:13
MTV Trailer Music original? original version pleaseeee


Prometheus2013-05-28 17:28:47
watch?v=Vw8NBDFbvKE


Mike2013-05-28 21:14:43
That brings to mind all the exciting days last year as I waited for this movie to be released (days now consumed by excitement for Man of Steel)! :)

Ds reply Replies: 4 || 2013-05-17 20:58:02
So it appears that MAYBE Chris Nolan is in talks to direct Bond 24. What I immediately thought is: HANS ZIMMER doing James Bond? That could be a lot of fun! What do you think?


Mike2013-05-17 20:59:50
Isn't Chris Nolan doing Interstellar right now? And didn't Hybrid say Hans is scoring that?


Ds2013-05-17 21:11:56
Yep, he is. But still he's in talks for Bond (or maybe it's just a rumor, we can't possibly know). If this news is true, i suppose he'll do Bond right after shooting Interstellar... But then there will be no Bond until 2015 and that's a bit long. Wait and see.


James2013-05-17 21:12:53
What the hell is that? where you get it from? the source do not tell me is your'ss


Ds2013-05-18 01:18:36
It's the 1st news on imdb frontpage :)

Aragorn reply Replies: 0 || 2013-05-15 21:48:59
You guys know how Zimmer said, after Batman Begins, that eventually the two note theme would be expanded (at the point of BB, Batman hadn't "earned his theme")? Well you might actually be hearing that if you listen starting at 8:07 in "Wayne Manor". You can also hear it in the "On Thin Ice" track.

Anonymous reply Replies: 2 || 2013-05-05 05:15:01
You could replace Why Do We Fall? in the movie with 528491 from Inception and it would fit just fine.


Aragorn2013-05-05 05:17:23
That was actually my thought when I saw that scene in the theater. Inception reimagined! lol


Score_Trader2013-05-05 07:54:42
Yep. It's almost exactly the same idea.

Yeah, the notation is different. But you know what I am saying. They are climax tracks.

Anonymous reply Replies: 2 || 2013-04-10 23:25:18
I love the slowed-down version of Why Do We Fall? from 2:21-4:46 in Wayne Manor. It's very motivating.


Mike2013-04-10 23:29:51
I love the action-ified variant of that same theme from 6:53-8:08. Though the whole piece is just brilliant. Not everyone will agree with me on this, but I'd say it's one of Zimmer's best works.


big john2013-04-10 23:52:57
i love pussy

Radik reply Replies: 0 || 2013-04-10 21:50:30
On Thin Ice is very similiar like Sacrifice theme from The Fan :)

Nicholas Cage reply Replies: 0 || 2013-04-01 22:37:08
Does anyone know if there's plans for a 2 disc release????

Anonymous reply Replies: 1 || 2013-04-01 22:09:13
"That's right....Gotham...on your feet.....to the lyrical thrills...of BANE..."


Nerd2013-04-01 22:13:12
LOL..."I laugh when you ask why I wear the mask. I'll explain! IT'S BECAUSE I'M BANE!"

Mike reply Replies: 0 || 2013-02-22 08:44:55
I have a question: who determines the way in which the various tracks are released? For example, 15 tracks will be on the CD, then three will be made available by going to a website, then two will be made available via iTunes, then you get the last one by buying movie tickets?

Cause it really is most inconvenient.

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