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How black and white must your worldview be when not calling Lego Batman ONE OF THE GREATEST ANIMATION SCORES OF ALL TIME is called  "hatred". Believe it or not there is a bit of a spectrum between BEST EVER and WORST EVER. Although I imagine that's news to quite a lot of the people who frequent this site.Leave it to discuss the Lego score on the page reserved for it.<br><br>These comments about Balfe popping up everywhere are annoying.<br><br><br><br><br> <br>It's a bit annoying that every time I want to read some comments about the Wonder Woman soundtrack and click on a picture all I can read are praises for the Lego Batman score.<br><br>Please talk about Lego Batman in the Lego Batman section and keep this topic for Wonder Woman's music - which is not bad at all, by the way.Legobatman was fun score . I don't understand why some are mean about it . It's better than most Marvel scores and very memorable . Looking forward to his next animation filmNeither am I ? Lego Batman had cool music . Loved the songs also .
The emotional music in Lego Batman was some of the best writing was fantastic . Not sure why there is hatred for the sound track ? I only came across this web site because of Balfes music ....and some insights to the first POTC score. Seems he really did a lot for it. Interesting how no one really mentions Klaus Badelt beside lots of name dropping of other composers. The Lone Ranger bits are also very nice (another troubled production).Yeah I agree, sounds like Gollum's theme. Which I guess makes a weird kind of sense since both Gollum and Batman lead a double life xDFinal part of "Batman Suite" sounds like "The Lord of The Rings" lolReally again on that Lego Batman score ? Still don't know what everyone is raving about. The score of wonder woman. Liked it, but nothing memorable. For best the more emotional tracks stand out the best like Pain, Loss & Love
It's the same as One Day just re-scoredLego Batman is not even the best animated score this year let alone the second best all time.<br><br>The Lion King, Prince of Egypt, How to Train Your Dragon, Kung Fu Panda, etc..<br><br><br><br>Dear Hans,<br><br>me and my wife visited the concert in Leipzig, Germany on May 24th 2017. We are big fans of Hans’ music and were in joyful anticipation to see him playing live some of our most favorite songs.<br><br>We had tickets for the best category right in front of the stage. By the way: we also visited John Williams and we have tickets for James Newton Howard as well.<br><br>But sadly this concert was a total disaster and we drove back home with nothing else than disappointment and anger. Compared to John Williams, where we were totally excited and told everybody about the great concert, we weren’t able to do this for the Hans Zimmer concert.<br><br>Let me explain in short, how we experienced this Hans’ concert.<br><br>1) Sound<br>The sound was horrible. The bass (especially sub-bass) was way to loud. Everything was booming, the sound was ‚muddy‘ and totally distorted. Vocals were hearable and understandable only if the band was playing very quitely.<br><br>At least, many people had to cover their ears because of the high loudness. And some people left the concert because of the bad sound. And just as a note: such high levels are harmful to health and if you like your fans to hear your music in the future, you shouldn’t kill their hearing ability!<br><br>Front of House was at the very end of the hall - so they didn’t hear how bad it was in front of the stage - and the most expensive seats.<br><br>I have to say this was no professional work. It seems like they just tried to kill any noise by turning up the volume to the max (like in the 80s) instead of optimizing sound and setup adjusted to the hall and the audience.<br><br>2) Lightshow and screen<br>The lightshow was a lowlight as well.<br><br>Almost the whole lightshow was based on strobe effects and flashing lights - no matter if the moving hads were flashing or the psychedelic moving images on the big screen were flickering and flashing. I was not able to watch this concert longer than a few seconds and then I had to close my eyes for a few seconds before I was able to watch again. Two hours of strobing and flickering lights, all the way from light to dark and back again in high frequencies was very exhausting. And it wasn’t only me. I saw a lot of people keeping their heads down and were watching the ground and not the stage.<br><br>Lucky me, I’m not an epileptic….<br><br>The big screen was used only for this irritating images and sometimes for pre-recorded! scenes, where some of the musicians were playing their instruments instead of showing the band or Hans’ playing live or if Hans’ is telling stories about the songs, his live or his friends and band colleagues.<br><br>At least this kind of lightshow and use of the big screen didn’t make it possible to see the artists faces. So it’s a bit like with the sound… You couldn’t hear them, but you couldn’t see them as well.<br><br><br>So why do you visit a concert? Right, to see the artist play and hear, what they play. Both wasn’t possible or a joy that day.<br><br>There are many clips on YouTube, where you can see and hear what we experienced. And no, the distorted sound is not caused by „bad mics“ of the smartphones...<br><br><br>I’m very sad to say this, but this was the worst concert of my live. I’m not able to tell anything good about this event - and everybody was expecting the total opposite. And to be honest - I wish I could get my money back, for the very first time in my live after visiting a concert. It was such a waste of time and money :(<br><br>Rick<br>Up, How to train your dragon and then Lego Batman are my top three. Defiantly best score of the year - AT THE MOMENT !!!Me too! Fun score. Surprised there are no more comments here.
Exactly - Lego batman could easily be for any D.C. Film not just for an animation . One of my favoritesGot to agree with you . Legit batman is in my top 5 for sure . It out a lot of super hero film soundtracks to shame . Excellent scoreWell.. I saw the movie, and I liked though not as much as the trilogy, but its very enjoyable in its own right. Capture much more of the firsts movies feeling that OST did. What I think I missed the most was Verbinski's weird sensibilities, grittiness and timming, but oh well as long as he doesn't want to return to this series, it will be something to miss for ever. <br><br>As for the Zanelli's score I loved it. I think is much better than Curse of the Black Pearl, which I think is the one we should compare with. Remember this new movie is, in theory the 1st one of a new part of the saga, so... compare it to AWE I think is very unfair... Not just the characters but the story itself must earn the epicness just as AWE did, thats how Zimmer desceibed it at the time. So this new one is the lowest end of Pirates epicness yet, or at least is the way I see it. If they keep doing more and Zenlli is still there, I'm sure it'll have to grow in scope and reach AWE highs and maybe even more.Agree with Edmund, (Shrek, Ice Age, Kung Fu Panda, Jungle Book...,) but each to his own... <br>What's the name of that celestial music when Volmer gives Hannah a new dress and says to her "You're a woman now" ?
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  1. A Storm Is Coming (0:37)
    Hans Zimmer
  2. On Thin Ice (2:55)
    Hans Zimmer, Jasha Klebe
  3. Gotham's Reckoning (4:08)
    Hans Zimmer
  4. Mind If I Cut In? (3:27)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe, Jasha Klebe
  5. Underground Army (3:12)
    Hans Zimmer, Andrew Kawczynski
  6. Born In Darkness (1:57)
    Hans Zimmer
  7. The Fire Rises (5:33)
    Hans Zimmer
  8. Nothing Out There (2:51)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe
  9. Despair (3:14)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe
  10. Fear Will Find You (3:08)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe
  11. Why Do We Fall? (2:03)
    Hans Zimmer
  12. Death By Exile (0:23)
    Hans Zimmer
  13. Imagine The Fire (7:25)
    Hans Zimmer
  14. Necessary Evil (3:16)
    Hans Zimmer
  15. Rise (7:11)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe

    Digital Bonus Tracks :

  16. Bombers Over Ibiza (Junkie XL Remix) (5:51)
    Hans Zimmer, Junkie XL
  17. No Stone Unturned (7:29)
    Hans Zimmer
  18. Risen From Darkness (4:28)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe
  19. The Shadows Betray You (5:20)
    Hans Zimmer
  20. The End (6:13)
    Hans Zimmer
  21. All Out War (3:21)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe

    Origins (The Dark Knight Rises Z+ Apple App Exclusive) :

  22. Wayne Manor (22:05)
    Hans Zimmer
  23. Bane (19:49)
    Hans Zimmer
  24. Orphan (4:51)
    Hans Zimmer
  25. Selina Kyle (5:41)
    Hans Zimmer
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Sparrow75 reply Replies: 0 || 2017-05-22 15:08:39
Something I never understood : Hans asked peoples to send their voice for the chant. I was part of this experience but is Hans really used all thoses records finally or it was just a marketing thing ? The fact is Hans recorded choir before asking peoples so I never understood really.
This is an article about this event : https://thefilmstage.com/news/want-to-be-in-the-dark-knight- rises-record-your-chant-for-hans-zimmer/

Mephariel reply Replies: 1 || 2016-12-10 00:26:56
Just read about this on The Nerdist:

"Via Billboard, Stirling and Zimmer’s new take on The Dark Knight Rises‘ main theme has been released as the first track from an upcoming album called “The Classics.” “I have always loved Hans Zimmer’s work,” Stirling told Billboard. “There have been several times I’ve been writing a song and I’ve thought, ‘What would Hans do?’ He has a gift for making things sound magical.”

We can’t argue with that. In the course of his nearly 40-year career, Zimmer has composed the score for over 150 films. For “The Classics,” Zimmer is revisiting some of his most famous themes from The Lion King, Crimson Tide, Gladiator, Pirates of the Caribbean, Inception, Man of Steel, and Interstellar in collaboration with Stirling and several others. The list of artists contributing to the album includes 2CELLOS, the Piano Guys, Lang Lang, Leona Lewis, Till Broenner, Maxim Vengerov, Amy Dickson, Khatia Buniatishvili, and Roger Sayer.

“The Classics” will be released on Friday, January 13, 2017."



Mike2016-12-10 19:06:28
Zimmer got 2Cellos AND The Piano Guys for this? Wow!

Ei18 reply Replies: 3 || 2016-11-19 07:18:06
Very random question, but why didn't JNH return for the third?


Hybrid Soldier2016-11-19 10:15:37
James explained many times that after he saw Inception he thought Hans & Chris Nolan had really found each other and didn't want to "interfere", that the Bats where really Chris choosing Hans and then Hans asking to bring JNH to the party.

And he thought after TDK he had written all he could for that saga, he had nothing more to say...


Ei182016-11-19 15:31:42
Gotcha. Thanks, Hybrid!


Mike2016-11-19 16:21:41
He gave an interview for Film Music Reporter basically fleshing out what Hybrid just said. Among other things, he said it was Zimmer who really "defined the character" of these scores and it was "his [Zimmer's] conception of the music" that was the really predominant element. He viewed the "Eye for an Eye" cue from TDK (went Dent is threatening Gordon's kid) and his other contributions as the culmination of what he could do for a Batman movie, and didn't really know if he had anything musically left to say.

I do wish he had returned for TDKR, but hey, at least he was amicable about it. And he got an "Extra Special Thanks" from Hans in the booklet. I wonder if the two will ever co-write another score?

Anonymous reply Replies: 2 || 2015-04-08 15:19:34
did hans really do the chasing the convoy cue on his own?


vced2015-04-08 20:19:36
Arrangement sounds too intricate for a HZ only piece. So probably it was Lorne. Hans stuff is usually simple, he doesn't really write complicated cues himself.


Mike2015-05-27 22:39:22
It's not really that complicated...it's pieces of the Moody Bruce Transfiguration suite interspersed with bits of "Train Fight." ;) Hans could have easily done it himself. But anyway, the credits on this page are incomplete as it is, so we don't know. And it's really all Zimmer's music anyway, in this case, so...We can all just move along, I would say. :P

Diego Suarez reply Replies: 0 || 2015-03-31 05:19:05
Hans , I am a young violinist in a modest orchestra Chile, symphony orchestra in the municipality of El Bosque , I love your music and I am a fan of the trilogy of Batman, we would do very proud to play your song Rise number 15 of the pelicila the Dark Knight Rises, I tried to find scores without success to find them , please if you would be so kind as to give me a copy for playing this wonderful song.

I hope you can answer .

Atte
Diego Suarez

Boldizar reply Replies: 0 || 2015-03-01 15:56:53
Z+ App:

Does anyone know how this app is supposed to work? I have an Iphone 5c and every time I run it the program will open up then immediately disappear but it is still running if you check open apps. Is it based on time/location when it works or something "fancy" like that?

Boldizar reply Replies: 0 || 2015-02-16 21:31:02
Was it ever discovered exactly what language the Deshi Basara chant is? The internet consensus seems to be Moroccan Arabic but I have seen that refuted by a resident.

Boldizar reply Replies: 0 || 2015-02-16 21:30:36
Was it ever discovered exactly what language the Deshi Basara chant is? The internet consensus seems to be Moroccan Arabic but I have seen that refuted by a resident.

marcos reply Replies: 3 || 2015-01-04 21:54:13
For some reason there is a song (called "main theme" on several youtube uploads) absent on my digital download (amazon). there are only 2 songs of this length on the amazon download. Can anybody help me? how is this "main theme" called? Thanks&#65279;


Mike2015-01-04 22:27:23
The song you refer to is a fan-made compilation of songs from Batman Begins and The Dark Knight. It's nowhere on The Dark Knight Rises album.


Anonymous2015-01-05 05:36:32
I tried but I just can't. The editing is horrible.


isildur2015-01-05 21:10:41
I don't even know why people want to listen to some edited thing when the kick-ass "Moody Bruce" is available here. I don't think anyone can make it better than that. Incredible stuff.

josh reply Replies: 5 || 2014-12-22 08:56:29
Mtv and nokia trailer music ?


not josh again2014-12-22 10:23:34
What are you talking about?


badbu2014-12-22 10:26:04
Nokia trailer -> Man of Steel!


badbu2014-12-22 10:26:04
Nokia trailer -> Man of Steel!


not josh, not badbu either2014-12-22 17:57:33
@badbu you posted your double on the same thread.


not josh, not badbu yet again2014-12-22 17:58:20
@badbu you posted your double on the same thread.

josh reply Replies: 1 || 2014-12-22 08:56:28
Mtv and nokia trailer music ?


not josh2014-12-22 10:23:16
What are you talking about?

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2014-11-22 18:37:16
i think some of the credits above are incorrect :)

Aragorn reply Replies: 6 || 2013-06-28 20:49:00
Have any of you heard Vitaliy Zavadskyy's Dark Knight Rises piece? IMO it's somewhat better than the final score.


score_trader2013-06-28 21:09:50
No.


Aragorn2013-06-29 04:38:04
Well, it's good. :)


John2014-03-03 02:44:13
Most of those You-Tube fan-made scores are phenomenal !! I wish Zimmer composed those pieces !! I added them onto my TDKR Complete Score playlist !!


isildur2014-03-03 11:56:50
Yes Zavadskyy's is very good. But I don't think it's better than the actual score. Did you hear "Moody Bruce Suite" here? It's absolutely incredible.


Aragorn2014-03-03 15:38:25
Both the moody bruce suites (the fast, transfiguration one and the regular one) are awesome, but notice I said it was better than the FINAL score, as in, the score as heard in the film. In the movie they hardly used either of those two suites! :(


NM2014-06-21 20:05:35
Had a listen to his Dark Knight Rises thing. I thought it was alright, listenable, it's easy to arrange something like that in the abstract though.

However no way it's better than the final score in a million years. One can ignore the synthesised instruments and the flat mix but as an arrangement it's just bits of old tunes with very minimal changes. I didn't hear any narrative. If he'd really spiced it up, injected some kick, maybe layered some tunes over each-other I'd have been more impressed. As it stands it's just a remake. As an amateur/semipro, who wouldn't even call themselves particularly good, I could've arranged that in a few hours.

That said, I think it's fair game to do those sorts of stuff to draw attention to yourself, or even just for fun and indeed it intrigued me enough to go check out his own website to hear his own original compositions, but sadly it seemed to be broken.

Mike reply Replies: 0 || 2014-03-03 15:42:21
I see Hybrid's initial crediting of the Without a Rope cue was incorrect....didn't he say it was Lorne Balfe before? Interesting either way.

RealFfingMusic reply Replies: 0 || 2014-02-21 16:01:00
What are the bonus tracks called in the complete score?

Mike reply Replies: 1 || 2014-01-11 03:22:32
Wouldn't "A Storm is Coming" be Mel Wesson, while "Why Do We Fall?" would be credited to Hans Zimmer and Lorne Balfe?


Mike2014-01-11 03:23:44
Oh, oops, sorry. I see I asked this before. My apologies for bothering with it again. ;)

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2013-12-19 21:39:31
so rise is basically just the orphan suite by zimmer and the cues at the end of TDK in succession....

Mike reply Replies: 0 || 2013-12-14 03:52:21
Are the credits to Zimmer alone here (Gotham's Reckoning, Necessary Evil, and No Stone Unturned) official, or were they put here in absence of knowledge regarding who actually did them? Because shouldn't "A Storm is Coming" be credited to Mel Wesson, and "Why Do We Fall?" be credited to Hans Zimmer and Lorne Balfe?

Anonymous reply Replies: 2 || 2013-11-13 21:13:40
i guess the orphan suite (same music from rise) was written way back in 2011, because it was used in the film's first teaser trailer


Mark2013-11-13 21:32:27
Huuuh, this suite was written by zimmer in TDK and known as The Dark Knigh '' the 16 minutes suite''


Anonymous2013-11-13 23:22:56
well yeah but it's slowed-down in the orphan suite and doesn't have the ostinato in the background. it's the same theme but a different arrangement of it.

MacArthur reply Replies: 1 || 2013-10-02 20:39:45
Hybrid: Just a real quick question. Will the Origins ever get released. And not be exclusive to the app, (like being released on iTunes)


Mike2013-10-19 20:57:10
I think the app is the best release of that stuff we'll be getting, sadly.

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2013-10-04 02:18:35
You guys ever hear a fanmade track from 2011 entitled "The Hunt"? You can find it on YouTube, and it was a pretty clever mix of Hans' themes with variation and some fan-written ones.

MacArthur reply Replies: 8 || 2013-09-16 00:55:10
Oddly enough My all out war is 5:11 long and it's listed as 3:21


Mortifer V.2013-09-16 01:07:46
That's a different "All Out War": the one you have is from the complete score, the music which is playing during the beginning of the final battle. This "All Out War" is another bonus track; the first half of it plays after Batman frees the cops trapped underground, until Selina rides off on the Batpod in the next scene. The second half plays when Bruce Wayne is taken with a bag over his head to Lucius Fox. (check out Wikipedia).


MacArthur2013-09-16 06:24:00
Cool Thanks for the info.


MacArthur2013-09-17 18:28:56
I found my "All Out War" on youtube, and the Recordings on there are not very good. how do you master it. or find a better copy


Areozz2013-09-17 19:38:47
The 'recordings' on YouTube are not very good quality BECAUSE you found them on YouTube. You can get a better copy by looking NOT on YouTube. If you want to 'master' it, you could go to school for several years, become a sound engineer, and purchase hundreds or thousands of dollars' worth of high tech audio equipment.


MacArthur2013-09-17 20:12:53
I have already bought Logic pro! lol.


Kusi812013-09-17 21:08:04
... or you do some self studying and invest some of your private time in mastering, cutting and suiting tracks. :) I did start with Magix and after several years I invested some money in Adobe Audition.

My longest project was or is Die Hard With A Vengeance - meanwhile I spent over eight months to make a film version soundtrack. Sadly I did this with the Magix software. Some day I'll "convert this to Audition :)

So happy editing ;-)


Mike2013-09-17 23:00:48
lol, Areozz


GR72013-09-18 11:55:13
Areozz,
with that amount of money, I'd rather recruit a team of hackers to get the whole RCP's database... Jackpot ! ;)

Mike reply Replies: 4 || 2013-09-09 21:52:42
If I had put the album together, I would have wanted the following (just for fun):

1. The whole "Logo" cue
2. The whole "Gotham's Reckoning/Prologue" cue
3. Nothing Out There
4. Blake Visits Wayne Manor/Hospital Visit/Bruce Follows Selina (as one track)
5. Batman Chased (Film Version!!!)
6. Miranda Visits Wayne/Take Me To Bane
7. Instrument of Your Liberation
8. Gotham Is Yours
9. Not Meant To Die Here/No Ordinary Child
10. Without a Rope
11. Get Me To Fox/Gordon Arrested
12. The album track "Despair"
14. All Out War
15. The Full "Not An Ordinary Citizen/Slow Knife" cue
16. The film version of the "Imagine the Fire" cue
17. The film version of "Rise"

With all of this together, the album would be about 4 minutes over an hour, which isn't unreasonable, and IMO would be a much better presentation of the score as a whole.


Mike2013-09-09 21:57:49
Even so, the problem with all three Batman scores is that, short of a 2 disc release, no satisfactory release is present.


Mike2013-09-09 22:02:57
And sorry to keep posting, but one more thing: the bonus tracks could have been on the album, which in and of itself would have been an improvement, while the track "The End" is a pointless regurgitation of "Rise" (even though it's nice) and "The Shadows Betray You" is a subtle version of "Imagine the Fire". They could have replaced those two redundant tracks with more of the in-film music.


MacArthur2013-09-10 00:39:16
The Dark Knight Had a very good release in my opinion


Mike2013-09-10 14:49:31
It did, the 2 disc release was a God-send.

MacArthur reply Replies: 20 || 2013-08-05 19:01:01
I Dont get what people are talking about when they say the Balfe did they film music or some of it this soundtrack is a Zimmer soundtrack but granted Zimmer does let Balfe do some of the other stuff as well. but this is a True Zimmer score


Mike2013-08-05 21:35:53
To me, it all depends on how you view it. Did Hans do the very respectible John Williams thing and do virtually every note and nuance of the score himself, conducting the orchestra while they play the cue for a given scene? No. The way he did it was write a bunch of long theme suites after getting a feel for the film, put in enough music from said suites to populate the whole film (thus creating a rough draft score), and then he let the additional composers--primarily Lorne Balfe--go to work tweaking the "rough draft score", saying how he wants the cue to sound, how to do it, giving thumbs up or down, reworking if he doesn't like it, etc... He's not a traditional film composer exactly, because he doesn't do the individual cues himself except sometimes--even if all the music you hear was indeed written by Zimmer. It's kind of confusing, and the influence of the additional composers is more or less felt depending on the project. The Dark Knight Rises really is Zimmer through and through, but other films, like Inception, At World's End, and Madagascar are more obviously a group effort.


Hybrid Soldier2013-08-05 21:38:45
And so some people still think Williams does 100% of the job... How cute... :)


Mike2013-08-05 21:41:00
I said "virtually" every note for a reason. Still, I'd appreciate any info on his processes. ;)


Mike2013-08-05 21:42:41
And if you're thinking of Attack of the Clones, I know it was a mess. Phantom Menace too, for that matter.


Edmund Meinerts2013-08-05 23:34:09
You can't really point fingers at Williams and say he's as "bad" as Zimmer (assuming ghostwriting is a bad thing, which I don't, but whatever). Williams simply doesn't have ghostwriters. At most he has orchestrators, ones who probably don't even have that much to do in the long run. Even on something like Chamber of Secrets, all William Ross was responsible for doing was arranging Williams cues from Philosopher's Stone into the new movie; he didn't do ANY composing whatsoever and Williams still insisted on his name being on the front cover. Balfe's name SHOULD have been on the front cover of Inception - he practically co-wrote that score.

Again, not saying ghostwriting is a bad thing, nor that Zimmer does it exclusively - Marco Beltrami has Buck Sanders, Michael Giacchino has (or had) Chad Seiter and Chris Tilton, James Newton Howard used to have Chris Bacon - but I think in all of the other cases the primary composer is more, well, primary than it is with Zimmer. Plus, even when Williams uses help from e.g. Ross, he only did that because he ran out of time on Chamber of Secrets, whereas with Zimmer it's the standard mode of operation. Very different situations, I think.

Of course, you know more than we do, Hybrid, so do enlighten us if you can. Especially if you know something about Williams and ghostwriting that we don't.


Hybrid Soldier2013-08-05 23:58:33
Running in circles, running in circles & running in circles...

We're like a very bad Matrix remake or something...


JamesT2013-08-06 05:00:45
Hahaha. What in the world? Can't anyone just enjoy the music? Next thing you know, some is going to ask for a pregnancy test......


Bou2013-08-06 12:57:56
And...How's the music by the way?


Mike2013-08-06 18:16:16
What Edmund mentions about Chamber of Secrets is something which, I think, goes to the credit of the Sherlock Holmes scores, both in album and on film. The album covers and end credits both say, right beneath "Music by Hans Zimmer", "Music Produced by Hans Zimmer and Lorne Balfe". Inception being Edmund's example, I agree Lorne should have been credited as a co-composer, but even if the cover of the album said something like, "Score Produced and Additional Music by Lorne Balfe", I'd be content. Integrity is important in my opinion. If a person composes half the music in a score, as Balfe did on Inception, he should be credited accordingly. I know fully that the lack of proper crediting is not Hans' fault, seeing as he credited Lisa Gerrard, who composed nothing, on Gladiator, but why couldn't Chris Nolan have simply added Balfe's name to the credits? Being credited with additional music and score production is not the same thing as doing half the score. And bear in mind, please, that I'm not bashing Inception's score itself. It's good, for the most part, and works greatly within the movie.


Mike2013-08-06 18:25:17
Lest it sound as though I have contradicted myself: when I said that being credited with score production and additional music is not the same as doing half the score, I meant that being credited with those things near the bottom of the credits where no one looks. If it were right there with Zimmer's name, I'd be mostly fine with it. Still, I'd think co-composer credit would be best. Some will disagree, but I honesly feel like maybe Lorne did as much in Inception as James Newton Howard did in The Dark Knight.


Pierre2013-08-07 15:26:51
Williams essential DOES 100% of the job, from a musical and compositional point of view. All his orchestrators do is copy out EXACTLY what he's written from an 8 bar stave into a full orchestral score. It's not a creative role, it's a logistical role.


MacArthur 2013-08-08 20:50:26
I know things Are always a collaborative effort and i know Zimmer likes help. I'm just saying that This is A Zimmer Score unlike CoDMW2


MacArthur 2013-08-08 20:53:16
I Thought that in reading the inception That Zimmer did most of the work on that score as well. now granted Balfe did some but i dont think he did do that much


Mike2013-08-09 16:29:22
MacArthur, hopefully this will give you an idea of how heavily involved Lorne Balfe was on Inception.

--Remember the One Simple Idea album track? That theme is heard quite a bit throughout the film, and it was composed by Lorne, not Zimmer.
--Remember the "528491" album track? That track, and that same theme in its various forms, is all Lorne. Once again, it's used quite a bit throughout the movie.
--It's also possible that Saito's theme was done by Lorne, since the cue "Saito's Fate" lists Lorne alone, but I'm not sure exactly.

Anyways, in addition to all that, Lorne was the primary guy responsible for arranging the music within the film itself. The only tracks that can pass as 100% Hans Zimmer in the complete score are the latter half of "Extraction" (it uses Hans' Dream is Collapsing piece verbatim), "Mombasa Chase" and "Into the Van" (which are copy-and-paste versions of Hans' Mombasa suite), "Truth Once Known" (which heavily uses Hans' Mal suite), and "Welcome Home, Mr Cobb" (which is basically Hans' Time track turned into a cue, but barely altered from the way Hans' wrote it). All the rest of the score is either Hans and Lorne or, in many cases, Lorne alone.


MacArthur2013-08-11 19:23:48
I Dont Know About 528491 I Listened to it and i thought i Heard some Of Zimmer's Cues From Dream is Collapsing at the very end and also in the middle of the track the rest of it i don't doubt you.


Mike2013-08-12 03:50:44
You're right, it does use the same BRAAAAAHM noise from Dream is Collapsing, but really, that part was neither Hans nor Lorne. It was in Chris Nolan's script for the movie. Hans said that in an interview.


MacArthur2013-08-12 04:51:06
Ha! Thats Pretty Funny Zimmer is A pretty funny guy. Meaning he wrote it haha Awesome I love how he puts things. he said once that Hannibal was the best love theme he ever wrote. lol


MacArthur2013-08-12 19:03:47
As you can tell I'm not really a fan of Lorne Balfe.


Mike2013-08-13 18:30:13
Well, if you happen to like the Inception score as a whole, I wouldn't necessarily say that... :P


MacArthur2013-08-13 21:01:27
Well in listening to the Soundtrack to it i found a lot of the Zimmer Themes used throughout most of the score. now granted Balfe did do some but Zimmer Did Most such as Tracks 1,2,3,4,9,10,12. or it was a Combination of Zimmer & Balfe. Such as Tracks 6,7,10 I would say after that like the tracks you mentioned were Balfe such as Tracks, 11,5.

MacArthur reply Replies: 1 || 2013-08-11 18:31:15
Another thing why cant i get these on a disk why do i have to get the app.


Mike2013-08-11 18:41:23
I agree. Any possibility these suites would get a proper release? The Wayne Manor one specifically is far too good to be relegated to an app.

Mike reply Replies: 1 || 2013-08-03 22:08:30
The No Stone Unturned bonus track is solely a Zimmer cue? Or is it just credited to him alone because we don't know which additional composer did it?


Tom2013-08-04 02:17:55
No Stone Unturned as a reprise of BB train figh, i ask the same question? additional or co-composer did it? JNH... i don't know ;)

Alan reply Replies: 2 || 2013-07-31 22:06:16
holy crap guys!!!1!1

1. 1m0 Logo (1:21)
2. 1m1 Prologue (5:18)
3. 1m2-3 The Truth About Harvey Dent (2:51)
4. 1m5 Room Service (0:16)
5. 1m6 Uncrackable Safe (2:09)
6. 1m7 He Was The Batman (1:01)
7. 1m8 Nothing Out There For Me (3:08)
8. 2m9-10 Bar Shootout (5:36)
9. 2m11 Gordon Underground (2:22)
10. 2m12 Blake Visits Wayne Manor (3:06)
11. 2m13 Hospital Visit-Bruce Follows Selina (2:23)
12. 2m17 For Old Times' Sake (3:22)
13. 2m18 Risen From Darkness (1:45)
14. 3m19 Stock Exchange (5:04)
15. 3m20 Batman Chased (4:29)
16. 3m21 Selina Finds Dagget (2:17)
17. 3m22 Rooftop Fight-Back To Batcave (4:08)
18. 4m23 Handing Over The Reactor (3:36)
19. 4m24 Do You Feel In Charge (1:23)
20. 4m25 Batman Could Be Anybody-Selina Apt. (1:48)
21. 4m26-27 Miranda Visits Wayne-Take Me To Bane (4:16)
22. 4m28 The Shadow Betrays You (1:59)
23. 4m29 Airport Detainee (1:32)
24. 4m30 No True Despair Without Hope (2:38)
25. 5m31 Board Members Taken Hostage (1:19)
26. 5m32 A Child Born In This Hell (1:32)
27. 5m33 Cops Into Sewers-Core Separated (4:35)
28. 5m35 Instrument Of Your Liberation (7:08)
29. 5m36 Gotham Is Yours (4:46)
30. 6m37 Born In Darkness (2:08)
31. 6m38 This Is Bane's Prison (1:08)
32. 6m39 Many Forms Of Immortality (1:34)
33. 6m40 There's A Storm Going On (1:57)
34. 6m41a Not Meant To Die Here (1:39)
35. 6m41b No Ordinary Child (0:58)
36. 6m42 Special Forces Arrive (3:10)
37. 6m43 Someone Sold Us Out (2:33)
38. 6m44 Without A Rope (2:10)
39. 6m45 Gordon To Foley (3:50)
40. 6m46 Get Me To Fox-Gordon Arrested (2:04)
41. 6m47 Bagged Bruce Wayne (2:02)
42. 7m48 Remember Where You Parked It (1:03)
43. 7m49 On Thin Ice-Batman Returns (3:44)
44. 7m50 Come With Me (2:02)
45. 7m51 All Out War (5:14)
46. 7m52-53 Not An Ordinary Citizen (4:47)
47. 7m54 Imagine The Fire (1:45)
48. 7m55 Chasing The Convoy East (3:31)
49. 8m56 A Hero Can Be Anyone (2:35)
50. 8m57 Sacrifice (1:31)
51. 8m58a It Was The Batman (5:12)
52. 8m58b No Stone Unturned (1:29)
53. 8m59 Fernet-Branca (0:31)


thejok3rrules2013-07-31 22:41:13
One question...: Are you fucking kidding me? xD


Mike2013-07-31 23:33:38
Uh....dude...this has been around a long time.

cheesy reply Replies: 2 || 2013-06-04 02:34:59
Are there any making-of clips or featurettes about the music for TDKR with Hans Zimmer? I know about that "Sound of The Dark Knight Rises" one with the editors, but are there any that feature Hans talking about the music more, or some clips of the orchestra playing it?


score_trader2013-06-04 09:06:06
the bluray version has a long featurette that hasn't been uploaded to youtube yet that has demonstrations/interviews with hans, and clips of the orchestra playing a lot of the bane suite and shit.


cheesy2013-06-05 00:24:36
I have the blu ray but I was never able to figure out how to get to any of the featurettes.

Mike reply Replies: 0 || 2013-06-21 21:49:58
I think the main "Dark Knight" theme (the one heard in "A Dark Knight", "Rise", and "The End") might be one of my favorite Zimmer themes. Regardless of how I hear it (in its hopeful, end-of-movie form, in its tragic, Batman-sacrificed-himself form, in its epic "Like a Dog Chasing Cars" form, or in its choir arrangement in "Aurora"), I'm always moved by it. Bravo, Zimmer.

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