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Why was there the change of composers?...wouldn't being really busy be an argument *for* him possibly being replaced? When you're signed on to 10 movies and release schedules are being constantly pushed around because nobody has a clue when theaters are going to open again, you shouldn't be surprised if eventually you might run into some conflicts.Jackman is not replacing Balfe! <br>Balfe is the most busiest composer at the moment so he isn’t going to get replaced last minute!!!!!Thank you for your replies. On IMDB she is listed.Alright, after re-listening to the score, I've made a few educated guesses of what the additional composers did, based on what we know about the score and their previous work. Note that none of this is confirmed by Hybrid, just my opinion.<br><br>Lorne Balfe: Seems to practically be a co-composer here. I hear a lot of him in this score. It seems he did Invasion (as he's known for contributing trailer music to films he works on) seemingly the suites "Brooding", "Deciphering the Signal", "Battle", and the one we know he cowrote, "Journey Suite". Based on this here's my guess as to what he contributed. <br><br>Soccent Attack - Sounds like his style, probably him arranging AllSpark and Decepticon material. <br><br>Keller's Briefing - Arrangement of "Deciphering the Signal"<br><br>Deciphering the Signal - Obviously another arrangement of "Deciphering the Signal" with Batman Begins-like action at the end.<br><br>Sam's Pink Bike Ride (Part 2) - Sounds like an arrangement of "Brooding" material. <br><br>(Possibly?) Are You LadiesMan217? - Some arrangement of "Brooding" and "Journey Suite" material, although hard to say whether the theme at 1:10 is Steve's or Lorne's. Could be Steve arranging Lorne material, as it sounds more Jablonsky-esque to me. <br><br>Autobots to the Rescue - Could be Steve imitating Batman Begins style, but sounds far too Lorne for me to not consider it a co-written track. <br><br>Sector 7 Chase - Part 1 sounds more Jablonsky than Lorne, but there's no question to me that part 2 has a lot of Balfe in there. <br><br>Where Is My Car? - Batman Begins-like again, probably Lorne solo, or Lorne and Steve<br><br>Decepticons Mobilize (Part 2) - Arrangement of "Brooding"<br><br>Freeway Fight - Battle version of Decepticon theme from "Brooding"<br><br>Stumble Bumble (Part 1) & (Part 2 Alternate) - Arrangement of "Journey Suite", second part not used in the film sounds like Steve & Lorne Combo to me. Film version of part 2 sounds pure Steve to me. <br><br>You're A Soldier Now (Parts 1 & 3) - Lorne being heavily involved in the final battle is known, and Parts 1 and 3 have arrangements of Lorne material. I'm also fairly certain that Lorne wrote the Optimus vs Megatron theme from Part 3 and "Optimus vs Megatron".<br><br>Optimus vs Megatron - Finale of theme introduced in "You're A Soldier Now (Part 3)" as well as the "Journey / AllSpark" theme which could be Lorne's or Steve's. <br><br>Trevor Morris: I can infer from his work on Pirates 2, The Island, and the one track we know he worked on. <br><br>Soldiers Arrive - Not sure why, but I've always assumed this military theme was Morris'.<br><br>Arctic 1897 - Dark theme that reminds me a lot of his work from Pirates 2. <br><br>Scorponok - Known fact that he co-wrote this. <br><br>Hoover Dam - Arrangement of military theme<br><br>Transforming -  Same theme from Arctic 1897<br><br>Sam on the Roof (Part 2) - Arrangement of theme from Scorponok, though could be Steve or Lorne arranging it.<br><br>Optimus vs Megatron - A slight hint to the Military theme when they begin attacking Blackout, and Scorponok theme reprisal, once again could be Steve or Lorne arranging these themes. <br><br>Creeper Suite / A Call to Arms (Unused) - Original music for Optimus' Epilogue, contains arrangement of military theme. <br><br>Jay Flood: Can be inferred from his work on Transformers: The Game, his overall more orchestral writing, and his contributions to Nightmare on Elm Street, Sims 3, and Desperate Housewives. <br><br>Camaro on the Run - Definitely has a TF: The Game sound to it overall. As well as a bit of Thomas Newman-esque music. <br><br>Witwicky (Parts 1-3) - Definitely some of his style here along with Steve's overall Desperate Housewives-esque music. <br><br>Decepticons 2 Suite / Frenzy - The suspenseful strings make me think of Flood's Nightmare on Elm Street work, and the brass writing seems more characteristic of him than Jablonsky to me, though it was still probably a co-written suite. <br><br>Tense Action Suite - Once again reminds me of Flood's Nightmare suspenseful string writing, probably at least co-composed with Jablonsky. <br><br>Clay Duncan - I can guess somewhat based on his contributions to "The Island" but otherwise I don't know much about him so I'm not sure about any of the inferences I'm about the make. <br><br>Angry Camaro - This sort of drone music sounds like it could be him as his contributions were very electronic in The Island.<br><br>Bumblebee vs Barricade - Strange electronics and sounds plus more minimalist writing make me think Duncan. <br><br>Tow Truck Charge - Definitely has The Island's sound. Could be Trevor Morris too. <br><br>TJ Lindgreen: I know so little about his style except he works with Elfman and did additional music for TF: The Game so not much I can say for what he did. <br><br>Belly Shot(?) - The ethereal choir style sounds somewhat like TF: The Game's score and Elfman's choir. <br><br>Not to Hear That(?) - Maybe he composed this motif for Mikaela that also appeared in "Belly Shot". <br><br>Surreal Mikaela(?) - Once again I'm hoping the specific choir sound is part of his style. <br><br>Anything I didn't mention is a track I'm assuming is all Jablonsky. Please note that I'm not trying to take away from Steve's work on this score, and that for most of these track I'm assuming Steve had some involvement in as well, I'm just speculating for fun because I've always wanted to know who did what on this score.
LP sadly, but it's also on Spotify.Technical reasons ! lol ;)<br><br>But she was there.Most welcome news. Should be a nice replacement for the Fantastic Beasts score that will have to have been pushed off. I imagine his work on Jungle Cruise will be great as well. 2021 is looking pretty exciting for score releases!She definitely performed on the score, I don't know why she is uncredited...The poster shows Lorne Balfe as the composer.<br><br>But then it also did have Desplat!
So no solo cello by Tina Guo? Is it digital then or is it no cello?CD or LP release?Why is Lorne Balfe not nominated for a Grammy for Ad Astra ?To my understanding, James never worked for Hans or Remote Control. They’re simply friends and have collaborated on a few projects. Powell (and Gregson-Williams) used to work at Remote Control before moving on to his own studio/endeavors. <br><br>BUT, I am equally as excited for James to return to Disney Animation. Very excited for this and Jungle Cruise.I guess James Newton Howard doesn't count as a Remote Control composer anymore (and yet John Powell does? I don't get it), but anyway, he's scoring Disney Animation Studios' Raya and the Last Dragon. After his epic trilogy of Dinosaur, Atlantis, and Treasure Planet, I welcome his return to the studio!
Some original cue titles with slates from a music mixing CD-R:<br>1M13 Transactions<br><br>2M16 Jake Gets Stoned<br>2M20A Alley<br>2M21 Rapists Castration<br><br>3M24 My Old Division<br>3M27 Go Fetch Dog<br>3M30 The Freeway<br>3M32 Alonzo Steals Money<br>3M33 Into The Jungle<br><br>4M41 Safety Is First / Busting Into Rogers<br><br>5M46 Helicopter<br>5M48 Sunset / Wet Streets<br>5M51 Jake Gets Beaten<br>5M52 Smiley Calls His Cousin<br><br>6M57 On The Roof<br>6M58 Jake Lands On Car<br><br>7M61 Alonzo Dies<br>7M63 Sun ShotMovie credits:<br><br>Music by Hans Zimmer & David Fleming<br><br>Music Supervisor: Joe Rudge<br><br>Score Produced by Hans Zimmer<br>Supervising Music Editor: Ryan Rubin<br>Music Editor: Nate Underkuffler<br>Music Production Services: Steven Kofsky<br>Additional Music by Ben Powell<br>Featured Guitar Soloist: Derek Trucks<br>Score Mixed by Seth Waldmann<br>Score Mix Assistant: Aldo Arechar<br>Technical Score Engineer: Chuck Choi<br>Technical Assistants: James Grimwade, Aldo Arechar, Steven Doar & Fabio Marks<br>Synth Programming: Hans Zimmer<br>Digital Instrument Design: Mark Wherry<br>Digital Instrument Preparation: Taurees Habib, Raul Vega, David Naroth & Paul Salerno<br>Studio Manager for Remote Control Productions: Shalini Singh<br>Assistant to Hans Zimmer: Cynthia Park<br>Score Mixed at Remote Control Productions, Santa Monica CA<br>Music Clearances: Jessica Dolingerthats trueCan't think of a more meaningless and laughable award than the Oscar.an oscar for this one? nahh...<br>maybe he gets a nomination for dune or bond
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Hans ZimmerLorne BalfeMatthew MargesonDominic Lewis
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Sherlock Holmes - A Game Of Shadows
Label: WaterTower Music
Length: 68'56
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  1. I See Everything (0:39)
  2. That Is My Curse (Shadows - Part I) (1:51)
  3. Tick Tock (Shadows - Part II) (8:12)
  4. Chess (Shadows - Part III) (7:34)
  5. It's So Overt It's Covert (3:19)
  6. Romanian Wind (1:55)
  7. Did You Kill My Wife? (2:42)
  8. He's All Me Me Me (1:56)
  9. The Mycroft Suite (1:41)
  10. To The Opera - W.A. Mozart (4:03)
  11. Two Mules For Sister Sara - Ennio Morricone (2:34)
  12. Die Forelle - Franz Schubert (3:22)
  13. Zu Viele Füchse Für Euch Hänsel (1:47)
  14. The Red Book (4:00)
  15. Moral Insanity (1:31)
  16. Memories Of Sherlock (2:11)
  17. The End? (2:26)
  18. Romani Holiday (Antonius Remix) (5:38)
  19. Shush Club #3 (4:31) *
  20. Beautiful Eyes (2:13) *
  21. Just Follow My Lead (The Waltz) (4:44) *
*Digital Bonus Tracks
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Brian88 reply Replies: 3 || 2019-07-14 22:18:17
Sherlock 3

Would be great to have Zimmer and Balfe back for this


Mr.Unbreakable2019-07-15 01:52:48
It's enough for me to have Balfe at the front of the project.


Max2019-07-15 06:28:18
I never understood why Balfe never got a joint credit on this?
The first Sherlock was on earth of my favorite soundtracks ever. Can’t wait to see what they do on this film


Anonymous2019-07-15 07:02:24
the real question is why hasn’t the complete page been created yet when the complete for chapping and inferno have

nvictor reply Replies: 0 || 2019-07-14 07:26:25
i have come to fully appreciate the mastery that went into the Shadows suite which is tracks 2, 3, and 4 on this score. it has been in my head for a while now and to be honest, i wouldn't have grown such appreciation if i haven't watched the movie (for once) or haven't watched Hans Zimmer explain the ideas in his masterclass.

in the masterclass he described how chaotic that particular forest scene was and how hard it was to pin down the forever changing tempo. his solution to the problem was to have that stubborn repeating downbeat on top of everything else going in the background. that beat is steady, stubborn, commanding order. and that tick tock from that pocket watch really complements the effect.

i have missed all that before because i just didn't know... but now i understand and i am truly grateful for the work being put in all these scores.

Michael Baker reply Replies: 0 || 2019-05-01 05:30:06
Listening through the sessions at last, and the difference between them and the album is night and day. I hope this score gets an expanded re-release one day. So many great cues missing, along with the weird tempo and pitch changes.

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Ben reply Replies: 0 || 2018-06-21 01:19:38
Has anyone been able to source this amazing soundtrack on records?

Thanks,

... reply Replies: 6 || 2018-05-08 13:53:50
Sherlock Holmes 3 has been announced! Hope zimmer scores it!


Maxim Vlasov2018-05-08 15:31:38
me too!


Edmund Meinerts2018-05-08 16:43:35
Me three, although I'm sure if he doesn't Pemberton would do a good job as well. Let's just hope we get a competent album release this time.


...2018-05-08 17:19:12
I like Pemberton, but I would rather have no OST release and a zimmer score than him doing SH3...

Hans has to do it.

X-men dark Phoenix, lion king and SH3 would be a great OST of upcoming scores!


mpolonest123 2018-05-08 17:32:21
I read somewhere Guy Ritchie wasn’t attached to direct, so I’m holding my breath.

My ideal casting for this would be Zimmer working alongside Pemberton. Imagine that insanity.....


Mike (OTM)2018-05-08 18:04:20
@Edmund, the Sherlock 2 release was part of a weird period for Zimmer... Most of his scores around 2011-12 had terrible albums. POTC 4, TDKR, Rango... All very awkwardly arranged. His albums have been better since 2013. I'm not too worried.


Macejko2018-05-13 16:05:40
I'd say Dunkirk takes the cake for "HZ's terrible album releases". TDKR was in my opinion a satisfying release.

Mycroft reply Replies: 4 || 2018-05-13 01:41:21
ok hybrid now that its leaked post the complete score with credits please lol


kingfannypack is the MILFcommander2018-05-13 07:56:53
Is it real? This blows my mind, this item has been sought after for years. Mind blown.


T-Mann0362018-05-13 08:14:26
One word-- BOOM!


HunterTech2018-05-13 08:29:46
I was about to say that for such a requested item, it has been quieter than expected today.

I guess everyone must've fainted then. :D


mpolonest123 2018-05-13 14:23:07
It’s real, but it’s not complete. There are a few cues missing, although most of them are on the OST

Hal reply Replies: 3 || 2018-05-08 17:23:39
Is there any movie that HZ could be working on that comes out in 2018? It's strange not to have any score from him to look forward to!


Hybrid Soldier2018-05-08 17:47:40
There's at least one, but hasn't been announced yet !


Mephariel2018-05-08 17:49:10
Big blockbuster film or small film?


Mike (OTM)2018-05-08 17:56:36
I've been missing Hans' scores while he's been touring. I get that he wanted to do something new, but the film music world isn't the same when doesn't put out new music for long periods of time.

Mike (OTM) reply Replies: 4 || 2017-05-09 16:46:16
Sorry if this has been posted before, but what credits do we know on this score besides the ones in the music player?


Rigby2018-01-02 20:37:19
I want to second this, I’m interested in how much Lorne Balfe contributed. Apparently Atli helped too


Lyon2018-04-08 03:52:39
Hang on everybody. I've JUST watched this movie on British TV and immediately I seem to have heard what no-one has picked up on. The Game of Shadows soundtrack is virtually a direct steal from Ennio Morricone's 'Once Upon a Time in the West'! I heard a snippet of 'The Man with the Harmonica' whilst watching, and the main theme is practically a re-arrangement of Morricone's main 'Once Upon a Time...' theme. Yes, we know 'Two Mule's for Sister Sara' is given credit on the Zimmer's score, but come on, Hans, you can't take credit for being THAT original. Do I admire Hans Zimmer? Do I think his music embodies the best of current movie scores? YES! But I can recognize a bit of plagiarism even if it's Puccini or Tchaikovsky.


Hybrid Soldier2018-04-08 09:36:13
It was deliberate, Hans & Guy Ritchie are both huge Morricone fans... Hans explained this about that score years ago...


Max Potcats2018-04-08 10:52:07
Yes, it is deliberate, as "Parlay" in PotC3 (Verbinski is also fan of Morricone I think) inspired by "Final Duel" (OUaTitW) or "Tick-Tock Pt 2" inspired by "My Fault?" in My Name is Nobody.
These homages don't diminish the talent of Hans and are perfect considering the style of these movies in my opinion.
And I think Hans must take credits for these pieces of music, this is not direct steal, we recognize the Hans' style even if we ear an homage to Morricone.

jasonflz reply Replies: 11 || 2017-12-29 19:14:59
Looks like the “Fight With a Cossack” track is on YouTube under Hybrid’s account. Pretty cool stuff, interesting to see Atli was involved.


PJ2017-12-31 00:33:08
Does anyone even know what Hybrid’s account name is?


isildur2017-12-31 01:27:41
@PJ

https: //www.youtube.com/channel/UC60sCTPYe5mJ-Eqfzl7G5dA


Iamtommie2017-12-31 12:27:34
@isildur

The link doesn't give a youtube channel. It just gives google


isildur2017-12-31 14:59:16
You have to remove the space after https:


mpolonest123 2017-12-31 19:16:54
And it looks like Hybrid also has some unreleased BVS material... ;)


lol2017-12-31 23:21:13
it doesn't look good for hybrid to be leaking HZ material under his real life name, good lord.


Hybrid Soldier2017-12-31 23:41:57
Like, why ?


You think I'm Batman, hiding behind a secret identity ? lol


rcp lawyer2017-12-31 23:56:26
FYI it doesn't bode well for you in general, just a warning


Hybrid Soldier2018-01-01 00:12:17
Try again !


james (now james callahan)2018-01-01 00:40:47
I found some good stuff on the Hybrid channel.


Medigo2018-01-01 00:47:10
its not like the account is new

mpolonest123 reply Replies: 2 || 2017-05-02 02:07:53
Having revisited this score in both the album and the film I think I can easily say that this is easily one of my favorite Zimmer scores, in part due to the Moriarity theme (which may be the most underrated villain motif).

Judging by the album alone I can understand why some people were initially turned off of it, this is one of the worst representations of any Zimmer score (even more so than TDKR imo) but in context of the film you see that Zimmer really did put a lot of time and effort into the music above the "experimentations" which the album is inundated with.

I also get the feeling that Zimmer himself is proud of this one; he spends a good portion of the Masterclass dissecting the music. If any recording sessions need to leak, it's honestly this one.


Edmund Meinerts2017-05-02 12:10:55
This album is so bad. It's like they went out of their way to make as shitty a representation of a score as possible. Even On Stranger Tides with its endless remixes and Rodrigo y Gabriela pointlessness was technically a better representation, since most of the 10% of that score that was actually original did make it to the album. Here there's just so much stuff missing that it's impossible to get a sense of the "shape" of the score. You're absolutely right, this one really needs to leak so that we can all give it a fair shake.


Mike (OTM)2017-05-02 16:42:58
Total agreement. 2011-2012 was a dark time for Zimmer OST releases. Somehow, starting in 2013, his albums picked up.

TheBushwacker reply Replies: 1 || 2016-05-28 08:57:41
In the movie, Sherlock Holmes: Game Of Shadows, there is one short piece that drives me nuts. It is only about 1 min long. When Sherlock opens the steel vault door and enters the laboratory at 1:17:35. The music turns to this deep, throbbing tuba music. It sounds so familiar. Did I hear it in another movie? Is it part of a larger piece? Does it have a title?
Could you be so kind as to email me if you answer?
TheBushwacker1947@gmail.com


Dimensioner2016-12-16 03:22:02
This is an interpretation/variation/remix/whatever of about 1:20 into Shadows Part 3: Chess, from the soundtrack. Of course I'm basing that time stamp off of a version of the OST with the speed corrected

Dimitris Krommidas reply Replies: 0 || 2016-11-28 15:51:46
So Sherlock Holmes 3 is going to happen after all.
I hope Zimmer returns to score it.

Anonymous reply Replies: 2 || 2015-09-23 23:51:43
Hey, Hybrid. I wonder, who did the Romani Holiday (Antonius Remix)? There's no one single info/credit about that remix in the OST liner notes.


Hybrid Soldier2015-09-24 00:20:11
Antonius => Antonius Bernardus Johannes Holkenborg => Tom Holkenborg => Junkie XL

:P


Anonymous2015-09-24 01:04:10
Nice, and thanks for the reply. Strange, JXL never mentioned a word about that (SH) remix on his (updated) website! When you can see there, his work as Score Remixer for (Inception, TDKR, Megamind, Madagascar 3 and Kung Fu Panda 2...).

Bibi reply Replies: 13 || 2015-05-04 22:20:04
Why my posts are deleted ??


Anonymous2015-05-05 04:00:25
Because they believe in very heavy censorship on this site.


Leo2015-05-06 02:48:35
What was the comment anyway? :P


Bibi2015-05-07 17:18:18
I asked if recording sessions are planned to be release soon because I've found 2 tracks on youtube, real, not some montage.
Sorry for the english, I'm french.


badbu2015-05-07 20:24:13
a complete score will be never released... "official"...


Anonymous2015-05-07 20:25:30
Tell me one instance that there was a planned release for the recording sessions of a Hans Zimmer score and you should have your answer.


Anonymous2015-05-07 21:40:34
what are the tracks bibi?


Anonymous2015-05-07 23:22:59
The two tracks are just demos.


Bibi2015-05-08 19:39:41
I can't write it here, always censored !


Hybrid Soldier2015-05-08 21:18:38
Then act smart, stop writing... lol


Bibi2015-05-09 15:53:43
Nice Admin...


Anonymous2015-05-09 23:35:32
And BOOM! there it is.

BTW, Hybrid isn't an admin of this website.


Hybrid Soldier2015-05-09 23:49:43
Yeah, I don't handle the comment section... I do everything else ! lol

But comments aren't part of my jurisdiction ! I just grab the popcorn and watch what happens !


Damien, Moderator2015-05-11 22:12:12
As long as you provide links to dowload illegal stuff, you will be censored...

NM reply Replies: 1 || 2015-05-01 04:02:13
Hey Hybrid, was the demo version of the Moriarity suite with the cool rough, raw version of "The Red Book" at the end ever recorded? Also is "Chess" a cue or a suite? It always confused me. It fits the scene so perfectly, but did they fit the scene around the music or vice versa?


Mike2015-05-08 15:28:07
I, too, noticed "The Red Book" in the demo suite, and that further confirms to me that, a lot of times, our "credits nitpicking" on HZ scores can be groundless. Since it was pulled write out of a fuller suite, HZ obviously wrote/arranged that part of the "Red Book" cue, which no one would have realized before. And Hybrid has said how, often, HZ will already have a lot of a cue written before the additional guys go to work on it.

Mike reply Replies: 0 || 2014-11-25 23:10:43
I'd love to get a fuller release of this score...The album situation makes it look like crap, but as I recall, it was actually a fairly strong score (at least in context). Definitely better than some of Hans' sequel scores... :P

Mycroft reply Replies: 8 || 2014-03-05 12:24:23
1m1 Open
1m1A Whistle Fight
1m1B The Fight
1m1C At the Restaurant
1m3 Coffee, Tobacco and Cocoa Leaves
1m4 Web Room
1m4B Web To Car
1m5 Meet Mycroft
2m7 Meet Simza
2m8A Fight With Cossack part 1
2m10 To The Wedding
2m12 Wedding
2m12A Moran At Wedding
2m14 Holmes Confronts Moriarty
3m15 Honeymoon Begins
3m16A Train Opening
3m16C No Accident
3m16C No Accident ALT
3m16D Holmes Plan
3m17 Mycroft and End of Train/Paris
3m17 Mycroft and End of Train/Paris ALT
3m18B Find the Fortune Teller
4m21 Gypsy Fortress
4m22A Find the Fortune Teller
4m22B Ravache
4m22C Imperator
4m24
4m25 Paris Bombing Investigation
4m26 Nude Mycroft
5m28-29 Consider What We Know
5m30A Outro
5m31 Holmes Captured by Moran
5m32 Holmes Tortured
5m34 Escape the Factory
5m35 Forest Battle
5m35 Forest Battle ALT
6m37
6m38 I'm Going Home...Via Swiss
6m39 We Don't Know What He's Planning
6m42-43 Waltz
6m42-43 Waltz ALT
7m45 Little Red Book pt 1
7m45 Little Red Book pt 2
7m45A Pre-Vis Finale
7m46 Final Confrontation
7m47 Case Re-Opened
Chess - Dead Brother
Chess
Memories of Sherlock
Mycroft Strings
One Minute Rise
Opera Map
Opera Map ALT INSERT
Shush Club Tango


SanAntonioSpurs2014-03-05 15:57:08
Where can I find?


Zimson2014-03-05 17:02:07
I would like to know that too. I never knew how to find the music online.


Jay the Dinosaur2014-03-05 17:15:02
These are just the cue sheets from the full orchestral score, not the sessions. :(


NM2014-05-07 18:35:06
While I'd love the score to leak, the cue sheets are really cool to read through as well. I actually transcribed (is that the right word?) a tune or two into my piano roll just to muck about. I did the part of 'Chess' that starts with the melodic D minor repeating over and over. It's pretty fun.


NM2014-05-07 18:38:23
Incidentally reading the cue sheets kind of just reinforced how truly hideous the CD release really is.


Edmund Meinerts2014-05-07 18:41:20
Yeah...what the hell happened with this one, anyways? It's not like with Pirates 4, where they had to shorten the length of the score portion to cover up how much rehash there was in the score (didn't work, guys!). And then there's the sped-up thing...how do amateur mistakes like that even happen to the release of a professional film composer's score to a big Hollywood movie? Just baffling.


NM2014-05-07 19:19:52
Yeah, the sped up CD makes the orchestration seem very cheap and nasty. There surely was a rationale behind it but I can't fathom what it was. Time constraints?????

There is a vast amount of interesting, or at least notable content missing, 'Fight with Cossack' is a cool piece (seemingly Lorne), and I think I would've taken that over some of the source stuff. 'Holmes Confronts Moriarty' stitches together quite a lot of themes from 'Chess' quite well. Being able to read through the sheets and hear in your head as written is nice, but the actual release would be far sweeter.

Pirates 4 just sucks. Sherlock 2 is a score that I initially wasn't that fond of, but grew to quite like, and appreciate the differences between it and the first one. But with P4, it gets worse with age. In a way I'm almost glad the release wasn't that full, because not only are all the old themes rehashed, but they're rehashed in a really hollow, static way that makes them sound cheap and lifeless. Hearing all my favorites being systematically ruined in the movie was enough.


badbu2014-05-08 07:43:35
5m35 Forest Battle
5m35 Forest Battle ALT

<3!!!

Zimson reply Replies: 4 || 2014-05-07 16:16:08
Who arranged "To The Opera"? Was it Hans himself?


Edmund Meinerts2014-05-07 16:19:40
I think Hybrid at some point said that "To the Opera" was Matt Margeson and "Die Forelle" was Mel Wesson...


Mike2014-05-07 16:30:46
It's in the booklet, Edmund. Click "See Details". ;)


Zimson2014-05-07 17:20:21
Thx. Wonder why he is only credited for orchestration.


Hybrid Soldier2014-05-07 17:21:54
Orchestration / Arrangement / Additional Music...

As Tia Dalma would say : "Same story, different versions. And all are true."

Vagues terms... lol

HolyColt reply Replies: 4 || 2014-02-13 17:40:39
OK, so I'm trying to find the song "Die Forelle" from the film in it's purest form, pre-distorted, And after looking around for a bit I'm just not convinced that the song is the same one done by Ian Bostridge or Julius Drake. In fact I can't seem to find any hints to who the actual singer is.


Zimson2014-02-13 18:36:35
I don't think there is a "pure" version of the song, because it was written almost 200 years ago. We've only got the notes, and these can be interpreted different. But I found the version you named pretty good.


HolyColt2014-02-13 21:34:26
By "Pure" I was mostly focusing on the song without the distortion used in the music which gave it that eerie feel throughout. While I will admit it gave the proper atmosphere in the film, I myself would also like to know of the true artist. It can be easily assumed that the artist/singer used was a recent recording so this 200 year old pure form assumed eludes me. I will say that the Bostridge & Julius Drake version is "pretty good", but I am after the sample used rather than simply making due.


Zimson2014-02-13 22:40:46
I think the voice itself was distorted. The track was probably specifically recorded for the movie, so there is likely no other version of it out there. Though it could be that they used an existing recording, like in Inception.
You could write an email to the admins. They are directly in contact with Hans.


Areozz2014-02-14 04:55:22
^^^Yeah, but don't expect a response. I don't think that's the kind of information they'll just give out, even if in private.

Levi reply Replies: 12 || 2014-02-11 22:04:35
How many of these tracks are source cues?


Areozz2014-02-12 14:59:35
That's a tough call. The vast majority of this OST is just Zimmer experimenting with imitating the styles of music that are popular in the places they traveled through. Some of it appears as music played by people in the film, hence it could be considered a source cue. And some of it just plays like normal score. And then there's the third category: the music that doesn't appear in the movie at all. So I guess I would categorize the tracks this way (but I'm open to alternative explanations):

Source music: tracks 6, 10, 12, 21
'Experimental' music that was used: tracks 5, 11
'Experimental' music that was not used: tracks 7, 8, 18?, 19, 20

And that leaves only tracks 1, 2, 3, 4, and 9 as 'suites' and 13, 14, 15, 16, and 17 as actual score cues that appear in the movie.

It still pisses me off that they offered three amazing bonus tracks that you could download when you purchased the OST, and it was all just that (mostly unused) 'experimental' music, instead of, you know, good music like the bits during the opening scenes or the train scene!


Levi2014-02-12 17:24:29
Thanks. That sounds really crappy.


Mike2014-02-12 17:31:42
The Dark Knight Rises had the same problem, Areozz. There were six bonus tracks available in total, but only 3 were score cues, 1 was a remix, and 2 were suites which were basically just regurgitations of stuff already present on the album. And one of the three cues was way different, and much worse, than the film version of the same cue. And as for the suites Hans wrote, they were only made available in an app, and one of the suites, a really cool one, wasn't released anywhere. Too bad, really, because if you ask me, the suites from TDKR were way better than the score in film.


Mike2014-02-12 17:34:46
It seems like Zimmer releases have picked up to some degree, though. Man of Steel and Lone Ranger both had very solid album presentations, and Rush did, too, or so it seems (though I've not actually done much listening to that one). And Winter's Tale seems similarly well-put together.


Zimmer2014-02-13 03:45:14
@Areozz
"The End? was actually never used in the movie. It's a more aggresive version of the end credits music. And actually, to be exact, tracks like "Romanian Wind" and "It's So Overt It's Covert" appeared in the movie but not in full length.


Mike2014-02-13 04:18:16
You sure about that, Zimmer? I'm pretty darn sure "The End" is the closing and end credits music from the movie (though it's somewhat sped up on this poorly-done release).


Areozz2014-02-13 04:26:14
"The End?" was used in the film, albeit it was a different take than the version appearing on the OST. The arrangement is similar, but I would agree that it is more aggressive. And you are right about those two other tracks. On the OST, "It's So Overt It's Covert" is over three minutes long. But in the film, I think they cut it down to under a minute.


Gilvane Cezar 2014-02-13 05:06:42
In "The Bible" for example, all action tracks were out (except "Pentecost"). Pitiful! :/


RealFfingMusic2014-02-13 05:58:54
I couldn't place the wedding music in the score.
Any help?


Areozz2014-02-13 14:46:58
^^^What do you mean? You can't find a place to put the wedding music in-line with the rest of the OST or you can't find where the wedding music is on this paltry presentation which they dared to call an OST?

The answer to both of those situations is: because it's impossible. The OST is arranged thusly: suites first, 'experimental' music second, a bunch of short cues from the end of the film jammed together'. And the wedding music is not on the OST.


MacArthur2014-02-13 15:14:45
It's a sad thing because aside from "to the opera"and Memories of Sherlock. That was my favorite cue.


Zimson2014-02-13 16:53:08
Hans should have released the wedding music as a bonus track, but I don't think it would fit the album. It really stands aside from the rest of the tracks.
And as Areozz already said: The album arrangement goes from the suites to the Roma stuff and then to a mix of the remaining cues. That's it. Oh and btw, I accidentially typed Zimmer instead of Zimson above in the namefield. So it wasn't Hans. ;)

Mike reply Replies: 9 || 2014-01-22 02:28:53
Tick Tock is a suite, right?


Areozz2014-01-22 04:20:57
Yes and no. It's arranged like a suite, but several parts of it can be heard throughout the film, and most of them are arranged differently, and/or have a different instrumentation selection.


rob2014-01-22 04:25:31
Can someone explain the difference between a suite, theme, and some other words that are thrown around a lot on this site? thanks!


Mike2014-01-22 04:51:23
I may be off here, so I'll gladly take correction, but here's the situation as I understand it:

A theme is a piece of music which envelops the whole film or series of films, often a sizable piece of music that plays during opening/closing credits and usually tied to the main character (so in the case of Sherlock Holmes, the main theme is what plays during the opening/closing credits of the films—"Discombobulate" on the previous album).

A leitmotif is a short snippet of the theme which will pop up throughout the score, which is enough to be recognizable as the theme but doesn't go into the whole thing (so in the case of Sherlock Holmes, the main leitmotif is that "Dun dun da dun...." in the first 10 seconds of Discombobulate).

A motif is less bound to a specific character and generally accompanies a recurring type of circumstance (so take Zimmer's Batman scores as an example—whenever Batman does something sudden, you'll hear that loud, sudden "DUN DUN DUN" motif, like when we saw him for the very first time in TDK and TDKR, and many times elsewhere. It's not the theme of the films, but it always denotes similar circumstances).

A suite is essentially a compilation of various pieces of music, whether written that way originally or put together that way later on. A cue is a piece of music written specifically for an individual scene in a film.

*hopes he's not totally off and showing absolute idiocy* ;)


Mike2014-01-22 04:58:20
And I should add that, lest it sound by my comment like only main characters get themes, that isn't true. Often multiple characters will have their own.


rob2014-01-22 05:44:14
Thanks Mike! Helped a lot :D


Hybrid Soldier2014-01-22 08:51:33
Shadow Part 1 & Part 2 are the original "Moriarty Suite" written by Hans before the score was done. NOT the contrary...


A Suite is written beforehand...

When you have a medley of cues to make a suite, I prefer to call that a Montage... ;)


Mortifer V.2014-01-22 13:45:37
"Shadows - part I and II" (with "I See Everything" and "Shadows - Part III") are the best tracks in this score. Irrelevant I know, just wanted to say it!


Mike2014-01-22 15:29:12
Shadows Part II is truly awesome. The rest of the score isn't that great, IMO, but that one track is really quite good.


RealFfingMusic2014-02-13 06:03:15
Thanx Mike. The definitions were really good.
:)

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2014-02-11 21:50:19
it's nice having those 4 tracks in the correct tempo :P

Linda reply Replies: 0 || 2013-12-12 20:29:48
Does anyone know the name of the wedding song in Game of Shadows?

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2013-10-09 18:25:05
Will Hans and team work on Guy Ritchie's version of The Man from U.N.C.L.E.?

Zimson reply Replies: 11 || 2013-09-01 14:56:25
Why do some of you say that the constellation of the album is horrible? I've just found a playlist on youtube where some guy conducted and mastered the whole movie, so you can hear the music with a little SFX. I realized that all the relevant music of the score was put on the album and more! The gypsy music parts where all part of the film and in an extended version on the album. The score fits the movie perfectly, there's no way Zimmer and his team did a bad job. But I have to admit that when you hear the music alone without the movie, it sounds pretty underchieving and boring but in cinema film and music fit perfectly together.
So the problem is Zimmer hadn't got more material that he could release on the album. That's why people might think they got tricked.


Areozz2013-09-01 16:16:52
"all the relevant music of the score was put on the album and more"

FALSE. The majority of the big action scenes don't have any music featured on the OST.

And approximately 40% of the OST is comprised of Zimmer's "experimentations" in different styles of music--which is all stuff that never even got used.

What do you mean a guy "conducted and mastered" the whole movie?


Zimson2013-09-01 17:32:52
First of all, I'm not a native speaker, maybe that's why there is a confusion about it. I meant that somebody mastered the audio of the film, so that you can clearly the music that's playing in the background. You didn't hear much of the soundeffects.
The thing is I couldn't find any piece of music that would have suited an album but these which are actually on the album.


MacArthur2013-09-01 18:20:12
First Of all i was bummed that they didn't put the wedding piece on the album. of all the music that was in the film, that one stood out the most to me and I really liked it.
although I do agree with Zimson. The Music fit perfectly for the film. I disagree that it was not fun to listen to outside the score. I enjoyed it. Especially "To the Opera".
"That is my Curse" and "Memories of Sherlock" followed by the two before that. all in all I think that this score was very good not Zimmer's best, but still very good.


Zimson2013-09-02 08:37:47
I didn't meant that it sounded bad on the album, I like it, but if you listen to the music that plays during the film alone, it sounds pretty boring but not if you watch the movie to it.
The wedding music was pretty sweet but I think he left it out because it doesn't fit the mood he creates within the album. It goes from serious to funny to sad and to awesome! :D But he wouldn't create a new mood for 30 sec of music I guess.


fabien2013-09-02 10:11:56
The suite is so full of crazy arrangements sounds effects !!!
Incredible when you listen to what was already done on Sherlock 1 complete score !


Mike2013-09-02 14:16:10
"...he left it out because it doesn't fit the mood he creates within the album..."

Very interesting point. Am I the only one who wishes Zimmer albums were different in this regard? Zimmer wants to create a "specific mood" with an album, and so we get albums like The Dark Knight Rises where a ton of good stuff is missing. The idea of having a "mood" in an album seems cool enough on paper, but doesn't the score itself convey a "mood"? I like my soundtrack albums to be a good presentation of the overall score, where I feel like the album contains the music of note in the film (Gladiator, Crimson Tide, The Last Samurai, Man of Steel, and from what I've heard, The Lone Ranger all do that very well). I don't hear those soundtracks and then, after seeing the film, come away with several tracks in my head that I want to be on the album.


MacArthur2013-09-02 17:25:43
I see your point there. I do like the Idea of Zimmer creating a mood for the film, it makes sense. But I could see that if he put the Wedding suite on the album it could have given us a nice feel. especially after all the action cues and then gypsy music.


MacArthur2013-09-02 17:26:58
Oh and with the Dark Knight Rises what was missing from that that wasn't in the Film. I just heard it in small pieces.


Mike2013-09-02 18:03:19
Well, let's see...The cue "Take Me to Bane" was really cool, but is nowhere on the album. The track "Gotham's Reckoning" (a.k.a., Prologue) was slimmed down on the album and so doesn't have the epic percussion after Bane says, "The Fire Rises", the track "Necessary Evil" on the album was only about half the cue used in the film (and they cut it off on the album right when it got intense in the movie!), the motif heard in cues like "Gordon Arrested" and "Gordon to Foley" isn't on the album (it was on the second half of the bonus track "All Out War", but that was only available briefly), and also, the "Risen From Darkness" bonus track used the original cue for the Batpod chase scene, and not the much, much better film version.

I also am so disappointed that the Wayne Manor suite wasn't on the album. It's one of Zimmer's most epic suites. 22 minutes of greatness from beginning to end.


MacArthur2013-09-02 19:28:52
Got you. I just thought that it was used in the film just in different cues. Big fan of Batman so I have watched the movie several times. I suppose for the Bonus tracks you can Download them off youtube. Then turn them into a Track song. since they are not available for purchase. And where do you get the Bonus track All out War Mike there wasn't a code for it when I bought the Soundtrack.


Mike2013-09-03 00:29:49
"All Out War" was made available when the movie hit theaters, and you could get it by purchasing tickets for TDKR off movietickets.com

Anonymous reply Replies: 1 || 2013-07-29 23:59:57
Is the speed issue a problem with all of the tracks or just some?


James2013-07-30 02:31:57
Except the Bonus tracks, they were normal.

... reply Replies: 13 || 2013-06-14 10:41:11
Isn't this score one of Zimmer's very best?


Macejko2013-06-14 11:37:54
No.


...2013-06-14 11:43:29
Lol yes it is!


Edmund Meinerts2013-06-14 23:05:26
It's not, it's not, it's really REALLY not. I would put it in his bottom third or so, actually.


Richard2013-06-15 00:37:59
It definitely is. For me, I'd put this and Pirates of the Caribbean at the top, then followed by TDK Trilogy.


Richard2013-06-15 00:38:01
It definitely is. For me, I'd put this and Pirates of the Caribbean at the top, then followed by TDK Trilogy.


cheesy2013-06-15 06:09:58
Album presentation was probably the worst from RCP in the last 10 years. Score in the film was average.


Blu2013-06-15 08:58:13
Personally I think the Shadow cues are among HZ's more entertaining tunes.


...2013-06-15 09:52:25
Yes indeed it's the worst album in 10 years...
come on what happened to the whole opening music?
or why did those bloody songs go on there???

Seriously, Madonna could've been on the album...LOL


Kusi2013-06-15 12:48:16
The music as written for movie is one the greatest by Zimmer :) Better than the score of the first one in my opiniom, BUT the soundtrack release is horrible :(


Medigo2013-06-15 17:31:34
I like how even when they put an actual song from the movie on there (Die Forelle), they change the vocals (from male to female)


Areozz2013-06-15 17:34:19
@Medigo: False. What you just stated is a result of the OST being sped up by nearly 10% compared to the film audio. Speeding up a male's voice can make it start to sound female. Speed up a female voice or a male voice too much, and then you get Alvin and The Chipmunks.


Mike2013-06-15 20:13:58
I agree with Kusi: I watched the two films back-to-back and was struck by how badly the music worked in the first movie, yet it fit the second much better. With that said, I haven't listened to this one in its soundtrack release.


fabien2013-06-27 23:37:37
my godness a crazy powerful score!! please the recording sessions !!!

user148 reply Replies: 5 || 2013-06-06 15:42:40
the recording sessions are out there somewhere....

56 cues, 2.8 hours...... we need these sessions to leak! D:


Rene2013-06-06 15:50:51
JUST NOT FOLLOW FAKE ASS


Areozz2013-06-06 16:57:15
Oh, I'm sorry. You NEED these sessions to leak? What, is your life dependent on it? Is there some number of people out there being held at gunpoint and will only be set free someone shares these sessions?


Sebi2013-06-06 23:16:43
Tracklist?


Mike2013-06-08 01:14:09
Nice one, Areozz.


Areozz2013-06-08 02:48:49
Thank you! Thank you! *bows* I'm here all week!

But seriously, at Rene: certainly anyone can make up a random number of tracks and a random run time.

"The recording sessions are on the verge of leaking! There are 72 tracks. It's over 3 hours long!!!"

See? I just did it right there. Any expanded edits (DVD rips) that I am aware of and are circulating (possibly being traded illegitimately) do not match the run time that user148 stated.

I seem to remember seeing this person post before. I wonder if there is any truth behind his simple statement. Probably not, but you have to believe in something, right?

hhh reply Replies: 2 || 2013-05-12 16:39:56
Now then...
WE WANT SH2!


cheesy2013-05-12 16:53:26
You got Inception what, a few hours ago?


hhh2013-05-12 16:57:46
No, month ago

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