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Well...it's a film score. It has no obligation to provide a pleasant or enjoyable listening experience, and for an award like this that doesn't really come into consideration. So if it works in the film, it did its job and that's all that matters.<br><br>For me personally, as someone who cares about music first and films second, a score like Dunkirk has little value. A few years ago I probably would have been pretty mad about this score winning awards and acclaim (you should have seen how salty I got when The Social Network beat out HTTYD), but these days... *shrug*. I know what I like, Dunkirk isn't it, and that's fine. It wasn't written for me. Do I wish Hans still wrote the kind of music I like? Of course. But he gets to make his own choices as an artist, just as I get to choose what to listen to as a fan.The score is already on itunes.This score... so many mixed emotions. Does it work for the film? Heck yeah. Does it improve the film? So much so. Did Hans do what he set out to do? Totally. Is it an award winning masterpiece? Um, not so fast.<br><br>Dunkirk, while super effective within the context of the film (I wouldn’t change a thing about it), I must admit, it doesn’t have nearly the same effect as a stand-alone listen. It’s literally the same textures and notes over and over again, just slightly rising and falling in pitch and tempo. Does that make it “award” worthy? I’m not sure. If based solely on the film, you betcha. If based purely on the music itself, I don’t think so. That’s where Interstellar succeeds so far and away over Dunkirk. As a pure listening experience, Interstellar is interesting, multi-layered and emotional. Whereas Dunkirk is just flat, void of any sort of feeling or “actual” music (again, works IN the film). It’s glorified sound FX (save for the end, which, no doubt, is in large part to Ben).<br><br>Hmm... I’ve never had a score tear me apart more than this one. I both love it and hate it. Maybe it did it’s job... lol.<br><br>Excuse me while I go listen to No Time for Caution yet again.I think most of us agree that he should've won for Interstellar but I think Dunkirk deserves it too. The work Hans and the music department did on this movie is just incredible. Must've been a lot of hard work. <br>An award is an award, Hans' 2nd Oscar is long overdue so I'd be glad to see him win. But it would be weird to see him win for THAT score, after all the greatnesses of the past 20 years. Same thing with Morricone who won his only Oscar for his very light and insignificant work on Hateful Eight. Good for the man, good for the fans, but doesn't really make sense. But have Oscars ever made sense? :-p
haha hybrid :D made my dayHybrid, yes!wow man, hybrid. this isn't right from you. actually really embarrasing and an absolute no-go from a staff/member of this site to write such a comment. even if it's a joke, this is a shame and sad.I was a bit over the line, I admit. I should have made it clearer that all of that "hottest shit in town" bit was meant purely as a part of my personal opinion regarding his output. I never saw or read any interviews with him. <br><br>I also know about his wife, of course... but I guess I'm just too cynical to accept it as an all-encompasing excuse while seeing such massive fanbase clamoring for his new music. I don't know, I admittedly feel a bit bad about what I'm saying myself. I AM an asshole, sure, but only to an extent. <br><br>I think that saying "he is writing scores that he feels comfortable with" and "living his life however he wants", albeit understandable, is still ignoring the fact that he is an artist with a fanbase. We are living in a time when film composers are slowly getting a mainstream recognition as a type of musicians comparable to bands or singers. And that creates a certain responsibility towards that fanbase. An artist doesn't have to fulfill it, sure, but he should at the very least acknowledge and address it.<br><br>Which brings to mind an image of Hans going on a massive tour whilst giving zero fucks about the CD presentation of his scores, but I digress.<br><br>I wouldn't dare giving Powell advices about how to deal with a pain of the loved one's loss. But on the other hand, I strongly believe in artist's responsibility towards the fans. <br><br>For example, that's why I would kick everybody saying "GRRM is not your bitch" right in the goddamn nuts.Now I have ONE true reason to want this score to win !<br><br>PEACE ! lol
I stand corrected. Though it's still possible that the score is a combination of live orchestra and samples, a lot of RCP music does that.Ds beat me to a few of the points I was going to make, so thanks. :) I'll try to keep this brief, but it won't be.<br><br>Macejko, the only part of your statement that I would 100%, strongly, absolutely disagree with is the "pretentious douche" part. When has he ever "acted like the hottest shit in town"? Do we have any record of him actually refusing assignments? I mean, clearly his output has slowed down since 2012, but why do you act like he's doing that because he thinks he's better than everyone else? I don't see that as pretentious. Especially not given what we know about his personal circumstances. For all we know his decision to take on less work was caused by the knowledge that his wife was sick and wanting to spend as much time with her and with their son as he could. You really still want to call him pretentious?<br><br>Now, what I do agree with is the impression that Powell is no longer really developing as an artist. He's found his niche and is writing scores that he feels comfortable with, but I haven't been "surprised" by anything he's written since probably 2010 or 2011. Is that a problem? Well, depends on what your priorities are. I don't rate innovation as highly as I do music that speaks to me on an emotional level, that I love listening to and want to hear over and over again. And with scores like Pan and HTTYD2 Powell has definitely provided that, while Hans Zimmer for all of the "pushing the envelope" and "breaking boundaries" he's done (or claimed to have done) in the last 7, 8 years has in the process left behind many of the things that made me love his music in the first place. He's written some fine and certainly interesting scores in those years (and some I never want to hear again), but I'd throw out every single one of them to hear another At World's End or King Arthur, just a big old epic larger-than-life fun time that cares more about entertaining you than trying to musically divide by zero or whatever. But now I'm turning this into a Powell vs. Zimmer argument which was never really my intention. :p<br><br>At the same time I can't pretend that it doesn't hurt to see how much Powell has slowed down. I mean his run of form from 2003-2011 is the stuff of legend, 3-4 scores a year in all sorts of different genres, all of it quality stuff. He was pretty much hitting the sweet spot: innovating, developing his style, trying out new things but not sacrificing his voice or the accessibility of his music. If he were to keep up that trajectory for a career spanning several decades he'd be in contention for greatest of all time IMO. Sadly it doesn't look like that's going to happen anymore. I think it's a fair criticism to say he's dropped off, or at the very least leveled out. I just don't think it's fair to call him pretentious for doing so. The man's a human being and he has the right to live his life however he wants.But you know he never said he has nothing to prove. I don't think he even think such a thing, actually he seems like a very humble and nice guy, much like Hans. I just tell you this based on all the great things he did in many genres throughout his career.<br><br>I guess he just want to write music he likes and the way he likes it. Many producers/directors want something more restrained for their movies, that's ok, they can get someone else. If you can afford doing what you like for a living, why the hell would you accept jobs you don't like?<br><br>And SW isn't about "creativity", it's just about this kind of busy orchestral music with lots of frenetic parts which Powell seems to really like these days.If only every annoying film music fan would be so willing to take his own life as this one...If this nominated for golden globe or even Oscar and win the title I'll kill my self.<br><br>This score is nothing compared to interstellar or even to POTC 3.
The moment an artist thinks he has "nothing more to prove", he is creatively dead. <br><br>Also, thinking that only animation and Star Wars provide a field for any kind of innovation and experimentation is just ludicrous beyond words, Ds. SW especially is the most musically restricted franchise on the planet.Fair point. Just look at what Balfe did this year, Lego Batman, Churchill, Genius, The Crown, Geostorm... and all are somewhat different in tone. He was on fire this year for sure.Here is another comparison which to me seems more relevant than yours :<br>Lorne is doing a lot of projects and getting better and better in various styles.<br>And Ramin is also doing a lot of projects but is far, far behind in terms of styles and creativity. I'm not saying he doesn't evolve, but at this rate he will need 3 lifes to catch up on Balfe's current level.<br><br>Powell has nothing to prove, he has already mastered all genres and is now able to write the music he likes most : crazy orchestral pieces where nothing is forbidden. Today, only animated movies allow this style of scores to exist. And also Star Wars :-pEdmund wrong again !!!!!balfe posted some photos of the recording sessions for the crown^ lol. Harsh, but he’s not wrong. Although, I hate to say it, we could say the same for Zimmer in my opinion.
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Batman Begins (Expanded Score)
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  1. Batman Titles (0:51)
  2. Young Bruce Falls (1:49)
  3. Prison Nightmare (1:01)
  4. Meeting Ducard (1:57)
  5. The Long Walk (2:19)
  6. Monastery (2:45)
  7. Father To The Rescue (2:12)
  8. Bruce’s Discomfort (0:37)
  9. Mugging (Part 1) (1:18)
  10. Mugging (Part 2) (2:50)
  11. Training (2:50)
  12. Campfire (3:27)
  13. Courthouse (Part 1) (2:39)
  14. Your System Is Broken (0:56)
  15. Meeting Falcone (3:08)
  16. Decision (2:31)
  17. Hide In The Dark (2:59)
  18. Initiation Into League (2:31)
  19. Temple Fight (4:05)
  20. Return To Gotham (0:51)
  21. Crane Warns Rachel (Part 1) (0:59)
  22. Crane Warns Rachel (Part 2) (1:14)
  23. The Bat Cave (2:57)
  24. Wayne Enterprises (1:24)
  25. Prototypes (1:41)
  26. Preparing Equipment (1:49)
  27. Why Bats (2:34)
  28. Dockyard Ambush (Part 1) (2:51)
  29. Dockyard Ambush (Part 2) (0:29)
  30. Rachel Attacked (2:24)
  31. Microwave Stolen (1:24)
  32. Meeting Rachel (1:37)
  33. Crane’s Mask (0:44)
  34. Gordon At Home (1:27)
  35. Batman On Fire (2:31)
  36. Finders Keepers (Part 1) (0:52)
  37. Finders Keepers (Part 2) (0:56)
  38. Fox Is Fired (1:11)
  39. Making Medicine (4:08)
  40. Fight In Crane’s Lab (Part 1) (4:44)
  41. Fight In Crane’s Lab (Part 2) (0:26)
  42. Fight In Crane’s Lab (Part 3) (0:45)
  43. Backup (1:34)
  44. Batmobile Chase (5:01)
  45. Rachel In Bat Cave (1:26)
  46. Your Father’s Name (0:55)
  47. Crane Interrogated (0:33)
  48. Ducard Appears (1:08)
  49. Ducard & Gotham’s Fate (3:30)
  50. Bruce Left For Dead (3:14)
  51. Antidote (3:32)
  52. Batman Arrives (2:30)
  53. Rescue Rachel (2:55)
  54. Final Confrontation (1:19)
  55. Train Fight (Part 1) (1:59)
  56. Train Fight (Part 2) (1:23)
  57. Danger Over (0:52)
  58. Surveying The Ruins (3:19)
  59. Gordon Says Thanks (1:51)
  60. End Credits (3:30)
  61. Ra’s Al Ghul Suite (7:15)
  62. Batman Theme (3:16)
  63. Prison Nightmare (Alternate Mix) (1:01)
  64. Monastery (Alternate Mix) (2:45)
  65. Father To The Rescue (Alternate Mix) (2:12)
  66. Mugging (Part 1) (Alternate Mix) (1:06)
  67. Mugging (Part 2) (Alternate Mix) (2:50)
  68. Training (Alternate Mix 1) (2:53)
  69. Training (Alternate Mix 2) (2:49)
  70. Campfire (Alternate Mix 1) (3:27)
  71. Campfire (Alternate Mix 2) (3:27)
  72. Your System Is Broken (Alternate Mix) (0:56)
  73. Meeting Falcone (Alternate Mix) (3:09)
  74. Decision (Alternate Mix) (2:31)
  75. Crane Warns Rachel (Part 1) (Alternate Mix) (0:58)
  76. Crane Warns Rachel (Part 2) (Alternate Mix) (1:14)
  77. Preparing Equipment (Alternate Mix) (1:54)
  78. Why Bats? (Alternate) (2:33)
  79. Batman On Fire (Alternate) (2:28)
  80. Batmobile Chase (Alternate Mix) (4:51)
  81. Gordon Says Thanks (Alternate Mix) (1:51)
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Mike (OTM) reply Replies: 5 || 2017-11-26 04:46:21
Whenever I listen to The Dark Knight, where Howard's involvement was diminished, and Rises, where it's pretty much absent, I realize how much heart he helped give to Batman Begins. His presence was there in The Dark Knight, but TDK was a Hans score with some James at specific points, because they were working separately during the process.

But Begins was really Hans and James (and Mel and Lorne and Ramin, too...) and it had more heartfelt moments consistently throughout. You can hear the musical relationships Bruce has with Rachel and with his parents, and it's a really nice complement to all the dark/brooding/ambient/action material. "Your Father's Name," "Father to the Rescue," and tons of other cues really give Begins a warmer sounding score and make it more well-rounded.

Hans wrote some emotional stuff in TDK and TDKR (particularly the Dark Knight suite), but that's more emotional in a powerful or tragic kind of way. James' contributions to these scores felt more emotional in a loving and deep kind of way. Has anybody else thought about this?

Also, while I'm here, if JNH had worked on TDKR, I wonder if the Harvey Dent theme would have come back for the subplot of his. I've always wondered why Hans and co. didn't bring that theme back. Instead, they kind of created a new theme for the Dent stuff ("The Truth About Harvey Dent" and "Gotham is Yours").


James2017-11-26 11:05:20
I also like Howard's contributions very much. Batman begins is the second among my two favourite scores of the Nolan trilogy. ;)

Unfortunately I think the contribution between JNH and HZ was always more a matter of support than the desire to do something together (Zimmer says inviting Howard to work with him was promise made in the middle of the years 90). Hans thought needed Howard's name beside him so his score was better accepted in the eyes of the aficionados by the music of 89. Not that he needed, of course. But doing the BB score and giving a new musical identity to Batman was one of the biggest challenges of his career.


James2017-11-26 11:08:57
and Howard accepted the challenge, even with so many people going against the two working together. It was a riot at the time. lol


Hybrid Soldier2017-11-26 12:08:32
Wait wait what's this story... "better accepted" ? Hans couldn't care less about that.

Hans & James were going to score Secret Window together but James was too exhausted after The Village to dive into it so they cancelled. And when Nolan came to Hans, Hans' first reaction was to bring James...

Also, if Begins blends more as a collaboration between the two, it's because of Ramin, who's style can match both Hans & James perfectly... :)


James2017-11-26 12:26:04
lol

Thank you for your attention, Hybrid!
I always let myself think too much about certain situations. I've gone too far, I recognise. Particularly I don't know anything about the behind the scenes of the productions. I couldn't even do it. I don't live in the USA. :D
But the impression I've always had is that James has always been there to give a "hi" and satisfy Hans ' willingness to see them working together.
Wanting or not, TDK trilogy music was not destroyed by criticism because of Howard's involvement. Unfortunately they tend to exaggerate in negative commentary when the name of Zimmer is associated with the score.


Mike (OTM)2017-11-26 23:50:27
Interesting, Hybrid, about Ramin...We know he worked on Training and the Ra's al Ghul suite, which both sound like a bridge between Zimmer and Howard. Do you know what other cues he worked on? And for that matter, out of curiosity, do you have any knowledge of what cues are primarily Hans? It's easier to tell what's James, whereas Hans could be Hans + Ramin, Lorne, or Mel... So it would be intriguing to know which cues are 90% Zimmer or more.

Hanzi reply Replies: 20 || 2012-07-24 09:12:37
Does anyone know where is the music on this complete score when Batman first meets Gordon ("you're a good cop , one of the few") and has to escape from the police station?
Thank you


Hybrid Soldier2012-07-24 09:56:36
The cue, called Batman Visits Gordon, is missing, like a few others : Courthouse Pt 2, Finch Is Killed & a part of Fight In Crane's Lab...

As for JNH's involvement, though crediting is quite hard cause the basic material for the score was written by both Hans & James, but I can tell you that he was "in charge" of :

Father To The Rescue
Campfire
Your System Is Broken
Hide In The Dark
Initiation Into League
Temple Fight
Return To Gotham
Crane Warns Rachel
The Bat Cave
Wayne Enterprises
Prototypes
Batman Visits Gordon
Dockyard Ambush Pt1
Meeting Rachel
Microwave Stolen
Fox Is Fired
Surveying The Ruins

I miss a few, but you can certainly add to that cues like Finders Keepers Pt 1, Your Father's Name, Bruce Left For Dead.

That doesn't really seem like he did nothing... ;)


Hanzi2012-07-24 10:04:43
Thank you for your answer Hybrid:)
So that means the track 25. Batman Visits Gordon (1:12)included on some bootlegs contains FX?



Hybrid Soldier2012-07-24 10:10:18
Yes they generally are DVD rips.


Hanzi2012-07-24 10:20:51
Thank you for the information Hybrid :)
Strangely I was sure the music from "Batman visits Gordon" was originally on the official soundtrack : my bad :)


Hybrid Soldier2012-07-24 10:23:26
Not in Begins but in TDK's OST in "I'm Not A Hero", there's an almost identical reprise of it in it... :P


cheesy2012-07-24 15:15:27
Are you sure about Initiation Into League/Bruce Left for Dead/Dockyard Ambush Pt. 1/The Bat Cave?

I don't mean to question you, but those sure sound a lot like Zimmer tracks to me. It'd be fascinating otherwise.


Mr. Charles2012-07-24 19:22:48
Thanks for all the info, Hybrid. Like I said down below, trying to prove people wrong, Hans wrote the majority, JNH did the rest.

Now I have to agree with Cheesy, is "The Batcave" REALLY JNH? I know you have your sources Hybrid, but that's got Zimmer's main 2-note Batman theme in it, finishing off the track. I could swear it's Zimmer. But I'm not doubting you


Anonymous2012-07-25 09:49:50
there are no missing parts Hybrid, those cues exist. I have those cues, and they are not dvd-rips


Mr. Charles2012-07-25 16:27:32
Ya, I happen to have those "missing cues" as well, and they're genuine 320kbps. Clean, no DVD rip


cheesy2012-07-26 06:41:52
Wat? Since when? Did I miss this party?


Bou2012-07-27 09:39:13
You really think that if these famous "missing cues" were available , FX free , genuine or anything you prefer , they would not be included in the HZ.com BB tracklist?
DVD rips! that's all FAKE!


Mike2012-11-30 08:12:14
Regarding JNH and the Bat Cave: are you ABSOLUTELY sure that was Howard? Your System is Broken also sounded heavily "Zimmer" to me. I mean, you're the boss, but...


Mike2012-11-30 08:13:48
Oh shoot, I feel annoying. Two people said the same thing above.


Anonymous2013-08-01 16:43:41
JNH said he had a stronger presence in the first half of the film and Zimmer had a stronger presence in the second half, so those credits up there actually make some form of sense, even if JNH used Zimmer's themes a lot.


Anonymous2013-08-01 22:18:47
I know this has no real basis, but if I had to guess which tracks were Zimmer based on Hybrid's list of Howard stuff, I would say Zimmer was "in charge of":

Young Bruce Falls
The Long Walk
Training
Why Bats?
Gordon at Home
Batman On Fire
Finders Keepers pt. 2
Fight in Crane's Lab (all parts)
Back Up (yes I know Lorne arranged this one)
Batmobile chase
Batman Arrives
All the final fight music
Danger Over
Gordon Says Thanks


Mike (OTM)2017-08-12 04:29:09
I think there's a lot of leeway with respect to who was "in charge of what" here, especially where Hans' two-note theme is prominent. Just recently in an interview for Dunkirk, Nolan talked about "Hans' music" during the Bat Cave scene of Begins, so Hans definitely was involved there.

Plus, the end of "The Bat Cave" is reprised a few times in TDK and TDKR, and in all those cases, it's Zimmer who's in charge. We know BB was a co-written score, so everyone was kind of involved with everything.


lordy2017-08-12 09:34:53
Hybrid, is there an explanation why the cue "Courthouse Pt 2" missing?


Mike (OTM)2017-08-12 18:01:11
Courthouse Part 2 isn't the only cue missing...We also have "Batman Visits Gordon," already mentioned, and also the cue when Carl, the DA, gets shot, and then Batman sees the kid in the Narrows. I really love the last cue, too. :(


Cameron2017-08-12 19:40:01
Well, I guess that explains why JNH sounds like Zimmer quite a bit in that score. I wonder why they didn't use the same collaborative style in TDK.


Mike (OTM)2017-11-16 01:05:55
@Cameron, they were located separately during the making of TDK, if I recall correctly. So work had to be more split up.

Peter reply Replies: 0 || 2017-11-03 15:34:12
Who exactly composed the songs, I ask about these partners Hans and James?

Cameron reply Replies: 3 || 2017-08-10 23:03:47
Hybrid, I know a definitive credits list is not really possible. However, you did say which cues JNH was in charge of. Could you perhaps do the same for Zimmer?


Mike (OTM)2017-08-11 01:51:32
Same question!


Cameron2017-08-11 02:34:43
Also, are we 1000% sure (you read that right) that "Batman Visits Gordon" isn't legit? I've listened to it myself. Didn't hear the slightest bit of SFX.


Cameron2017-08-11 22:22:17
Never mind about BVG, I've now heard the evidence that it is indeed a DVD rip.

Cameron reply Replies: 1 || 2017-07-20 21:22:28
Question about "Batman On Fire," the film version. I seem to have heard another mix where the opening synth, instead of fading in, starts right up and is rather jarring. It's hard to explain without being able to upload it, but does anyone know what I'm talking about?


skeletonmage2017-08-09 00:33:06
The film version starts with the alternate and switches over to the non-alternate in the middle.

superultramegaa reply Replies: 2 || 2017-06-07 01:22:38
Does anyone have the film version of "Backup" here? While the Lorne Balfe cue and end credits versions are both really good, I would be extremely interested in the film edit if it's available.


Mike (Otm)2017-06-07 16:14:02
Agreed. Love the film version.


superultramegaa2017-06-10 21:07:01
Also, I'm curious about a particular song in this score, "Courthouse Part 1," was that Hans Zimmer? I always thought it sounded like some of Zimmer's emotional suites in thing like "Bootstrap Bill" in Pirates of the Caribbean 1, or "You're my Boy" in The Amazing Spider-Man 2. Plus I think the choir they use in "Courthouse" and "Mugging Part 2" is Zimmer as he uses it in TDKR (I know that's not proof but it's an assumption,) and similar notes appear in Ra's Al Ghul's death and Dockyard Ambush's ending. Plus JNH's version of "Courthouse," in TDK in "I Am The Batman" sounds very different, so I'm really wondering how much involvement he had in the track.

Cameron reply Replies: 2 || 2016-05-10 18:30:47
No one seems to have this exact version. Only the one where all the cues are combined.


Russel2016-05-10 21:53:09
I think you should request it.


Cameron2016-05-11 22:48:42
What do you mean?

Cameron reply Replies: 0 || 2016-05-11 00:36:27
Where? Here? When last I looked, they didn't share here. Unless you mean something else???

Dukard reply Replies: 0 || 2015-12-30 00:37:15
I keep seeing an unlisted track called "Teddy Bears" on a few sights but can't seem to listen to it.

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Mike reply Replies: 4 || 2014-08-08 03:33:40
How were Tom Gire and John Sponsler associated with Batman Begins? The movie is listed on the magic box site, but this site has nothing relating them to this score.


Anonymous2014-08-08 03:36:11
probably did a trailer or something


Anonymous2014-08-08 04:50:02
Mike, it says right on the page "Trailer". There's your answer -_-


Drunkenmunkey2014-08-08 05:35:32
LOL


Mike2014-08-08 18:59:48
My bad.... :P

smooth reply Replies: 1 || 2014-02-20 17:46:52
someone has the music trailers batman begins?


Nyct2014-05-10 04:01:43
Depends on the trailer.

Mike reply Replies: 0 || 2014-05-09 21:22:43
I noticed recently how quietly mixed the "Prototypes" cue is in the movie. Weird considering that Nolan usually likes the music to be loud (as Hans himself said in a Q&A session once). A shame, cause it's a neat cue and you can barely hear it.

smooth reply Replies: 0 || 2014-02-20 17:41:36
it´s is real??? scoring sessions is real?

Mike reply Replies: 0 || 2014-02-14 00:29:24
For those, like me, who are wondering how much of Batmobile Chase was really Lorne Balfe's creative genius, listen to the "Final Confrontation" cue (the one right before Train Fight). If Hans did that cue, then we can know Batmobile Chase is at least 95% Zimmer, even if Lorne Balfe TECHNICALLY arranged it.

RealFfingMusic reply Replies: 6 || 2014-02-11 14:34:34
Can we have a complete list of who did what here?


Mike2014-02-11 15:19:44
Hybrid has said a billion times that such a thing is impossible. We know the following:

Ramin Djawadi was involved with Training and Lasiurus
Lorne Balfe was involved with Batmobile Chase and Backup
Mel Wesson did the ambient material in the score
And then the James Newton Howard contributions are, generally, rather obvious. But he uses a lot of HZ material and style throughout the score, so it's not black and white.


Edmund Meinerts2014-02-11 15:28:32
Yeah. Plus, Hybrid posted a list of cues that JNH was "in charge of" just below this thread.


RealFfingMusic2014-02-11 15:39:55
Sorry, didn't know the detailed history.
:)


RealFfingMusic2014-02-11 15:45:20
Was Vespertilio re-used in DKR?


Mike2014-02-11 16:16:29
Well, not exactly like that....It's the main theme throughout the films, so it popped up essentially at various points, but the closest thing to it being used directly in TDKR was the Hospital Visit cue.


RealFfingMusic2014-02-11 17:38:50
Oh. Thanks Mike.

Anonymous reply Replies: 1 || 2014-02-10 17:18:58
hybrid, zimmer wrote the theme used in training right? because he used that theme again in tdk and there was no ramin credit.


Mike2014-02-10 17:26:21
This is something I wondered myself as well. Cause if Ramin really wrote that theme (as opposed to just arranging it after Hans wrote it), he basically wrote the most important theme out of the trilogy (and the theme which made the endings of TDK and TDKR so memorable).

Mike reply Replies: 0 || 2014-01-04 02:23:00
In Kung Fu Panda, certain ghostwriters would be involved with each specific composer (Paul Mounsey did cues for Powell while Lorne did cues for Zimmer, for example). Was it similar here? Like, if Ramin Djawadi did some cues, they were for Zimmer, not Howard?

Anon1 reply Replies: 1 || 2013-08-01 22:08:54
I love how the end of the alternate version of "Batman on Fire" uses Zimmer/Howard's so-called Batman "theme". I also prefer that one because there's less vocals. Wish it had been used in the film.


Mike2013-08-01 22:09:54
This might sound bizarre, but with the muted vocals that track really reminds me of "Am I Not Merciful?".

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2013-08-01 21:57:29
The 10 seconds from 2:23-2:33 in Making Medicine are great! :D

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2013-08-01 16:08:10
What exactly is the point of having some cues split into "Part 1" and "Part 2"?

James reply Replies: 1 || 2013-06-14 09:12:47
I honestly think this is one of the best scores ever written. Proof of this comes from the fact that it's been copied by every action film and movie trailer since 2005. It's just a genius piece of work and fits the movie perfectly.


Ted2013-06-15 22:25:30
You have a really bizarre idea of what "proof" is. The score is copied because Batman Begins and The Dark Knight were successful and revolutionized superhero movies in general. Now every director wants their films to be like Nolan's films and that includes music that sounds like Zimmer.

Anonymous reply Replies: 5 || 2013-05-16 02:37:36
does this have the film mix of the tumbler chase?


Anon-e-missing2013-05-20 05:17:03
This reminds me: can anyone tell me why these scores contain cues as originally recorded, but not the final film versions also/instead (like Backup)?


Mike2013-05-20 05:22:33
If I had to guess, I would say the purpose of the cue sheet is to determine what goes where...Not to document all the music written/used, necessarily...I dunno. It is a shame, though. The film version of Backup is intense.


Anonymous2013-05-27 21:16:32
Speaking of Backup, I find it really interesting that even though Lorne Balfe arranged the cue, we now know:

--what Backup would sound like if Lorne were totally in charge of it (the cue on his site)
--what Backup would sound like if whoever the music mixer was had his way with Lorne's cue (the film version)
--and now, what Backup would sound like if Hans Zimmer was in charge: 1:10-2:43 in "Imagine the Fire"!


Dawn2013-05-27 23:45:22
Mmmhhh honestly, I think that, though Lorne has Backup on his website, he only arranged some HZ suite/material. For me Backup is 100% HZ, but Lorne was asked to arrange the cue to the picture. The same way there's this long HZ "Wayne Manor" suite from TDKR that was arranged to the picture by other team members.


Mike2013-05-28 05:27:10
It seems slightly unfair to me to compare Backup to TDKR's score. Because with TDKR's score, the material from the suites is hardly changed at all. For example, pretty much all the Bane music heard in the movie, or cues like "Blake Visits Wayne Manor", "Take Me to Bane", "Not Meant to Die Here", "He Was the Batman", "No Stone Unturned"--whether or not they were arranged by Hans, they appear in the film exactly as Hans wrote them in his suites. Thus, it truly is 100% Hans.

But something about Backup feels like more than JUST an arrangement of pre-existing themes. As much as Lorne borrowed from existing thematic material, it seems to be far more "original" than the cues from TDKR and Lorne truly deserves to call it his.

cheesy reply Replies: 4 || 2011-08-01 21:27:09
@Hybrid (or anyone else capable) Do you think we could get a track list/log for which composers wrote which cues, like we got with TDK? I've always wondered whether it was HZ or JNH who wrote the music for Ra's Al Ghul.


Agnt007dman2011-08-02 00:08:57
Yes, I second this! Please Hybrid, please!


Yusef2013-05-21 19:36:48
I'm pretty sure the Ra's al Ghul theme was JNH.


billy2013-05-22 19:17:32
I remember that once Hybrid had made a credits list for the OST and the Lasiurus track (which is the Ra’s Al Ghul Suite) was written by JNH.


Hybrid Soldier2013-05-22 19:35:44
Actually after I asked, I was told Djawadi did work on Lasiurus. Did he write it all ? Arrange it ? No idea, but he surely was on it.

Hale reply Replies: 1 || 2011-05-23 17:16:48
These recording sessions are just awesome. If all Zimmer scores could benefit of this kind of release (non-official or official), it would be a better score music world!!


Anonymous2013-05-21 19:33:11
Amen to that!

Wilson reply Replies: 11 || 2013-05-20 09:01:47
What's the probability of this score seeing an official expanded release like the second movie got?


Mike2013-05-20 09:06:39
Rather low, m'friend. Hans Zimmer scores almost never get expanded releases. Hans himself isn't big into those, for some reason (he would do well to learn from Lorne Balfe in that regard... :P). The only reason The Dark Knight got an extended release was because the movie was so immensely popular and that would give the studio even more money. I assume the same can be said for the upcoming Man of Steel album: either the studio is convinced that the film will make a lot of money, and so releasing more music is worth it, or Water Tower had grat sales with The Hobbit's score.

Either way, I wouldn't hold out for a Batman Begins "official" expanded release short of divine intervention. Though believe me, I'd be quite happy if such a thing happened.


Hybrid Soldier2013-05-20 10:09:55
Actually, HZ isn't "against" the idea... Trust me if there's one who would like to see mixes of TLK, TTRL or Black Hawk Down released, it's him !

The problem is he doesn't really have time to give to the past, it's always "the next project" and it never ends.


Anonymous2013-05-20 18:09:23
I wish he would pass it on to someone else to do. I'm sure someone at RCP would love to be given a unique project like that. I know I would haha.


Mike2013-05-20 21:45:59
Interesting...Well, maybe one day he'll be able to take a break like John Powell is doing and get stuff like this rolling.


Lucius2013-05-20 21:53:20
I concur, Anonymous. I love hearing that Hans Zimmer will be scoring a film, but there are a lot of "blossoming" talents at RCP who would probably appreciate the chance to do whole scores and not just additional music/arrangements.


Anonymous2013-05-20 22:01:50
I don't suppose there are any petitions for a two-disc BB soundtrack floating around, are there? :P


Aragorn2013-05-20 22:03:04
Do petitions work for this kinda thing?


Mike2013-05-20 22:05:41
Actually, if I'm remembering correctly, I believe it was a petition that got the first Transformers score released (and that was an excellent album if you ask me!).


Hybrid Soldier2013-05-20 22:22:55
The CD was always planned. Like Armageddon, just very bad timing...


Gator2013-05-21 01:25:16
Yes, the Transformers score was planned from the very beginning, and it was decided to have it released at the same time as the DVD.
Not knowing that, many people got pissed, and started a (useless) petition.


Mike2013-05-21 01:53:24
Well, okay then. No hope for an expanded Begins release, I guess.

Anonymous reply Replies: 1 || 2013-04-09 09:29:04
I love the Batman Arrives track/scene. Just when all feels hopeless you hear the sudden DUN DUN DUN DUN and you know Batman is gonna go pwn some ninjas lol.


Aragorn2013-04-10 07:19:52
Speaking of Batman pwning ninjas, I think it's a shame that the cue for that scene was cut short on the Begins album. There was one really cool part that's missing.

Aragorn reply Replies: 0 || 2013-03-26 07:13:26
"Crane's Mask" is such a creepy track. O_O It is the sound of insanity.

Yo Jo reply Replies: 1 || 2013-03-22 08:03:38
The training music has got of be some of the most beautiful stuff I've heard.


jizzle in yo fizzle2013-03-22 23:54:33
hans should start scoring pornos

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2013-03-15 22:38:04
This has to be my favorite score of this trilogy. There was a mysterious quality to it that the others lacked. Maybe it was because it used the two-note theme a lot, which Zimmer said "almost had a question" in it.

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