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Ha! As I always suspected, EDI's Sacrifice was co-written by an MV/RC guy. It was just too obvious...<br><br>It's weird to see BT's electronic/transe sound mixed up with a classic MV/RC sound, but I kinda like it. I admit, when I first heard the score I wasn't terribly impressed (aside from Thailand and EDI's Sacrifice), but now I'm warming up to it. The Rabin/Zimmer influence is quite obvious, so that's a good reason to give it a listen. <br><br>Come to think of it, BT needs to do a score with Junkie XL. Now THAT would be a great combo. They should team up for the next Mad Max movie. It will be a madhouse of a score. lol.Hybrid doesn't like the FYC because of how much it butchers Steve's original themes and doesn't include additional composer credits. I believe that was the reason.The FYC score was complete. And it's out since november last yearIs there a complete score out there? If not, don't be surprised there's nothing here yet. Sometimes it takes years before a complete score listing pops on this site.Why no listing here for the complete score?
Because they didn't work direcly in this score, but their material from the previous one was reused.Does anyone know why some of the composer names are in brackets? Thanks!thanks4:05 of "STEALTH" some of the best soulful action music I've heard from a Zimmer score. I wonder who wrote that particular section. This the type of stuff I would play trying to rush a pregnant woman to the hospitalIn case he's visiting this site, I wanna say 'Thank You' to Ashton Gleckman who does the 'Behind the Score' episodes on YouTube. I loved the 1-hour episode for the Transformers scores and I actually learned a lot. Very educational. I found the video by accident and now I plan on watching his other videos as well.<br><br>Job well done, my friend.
@Hybrid <br>You don't add anymore Trevor Morris things ?Probably for chronological purposes<br>even though the movie uses a shortened version of Romanian Wind at that timei saw the movie a couple of weeks ago again and the showdown in the school is very well shot and intense and trevors music is effective there. you can hear track 8 and 19 in that scene. a really good action scene.<br>===============================<br><br><br>I agree. <br><br>And I think at the end of the day the movie itself is not the type of movie that could win people over with its score. No matter how successful and popular it is and no matter how good the score is. I Am Number 4 was part of the YA craze that took over Hollywood a few years back (we all know how people feel about those movies), and even the most successful YA movies (like Twilight) are not exactly known for their scores.<br><br>People - even film critics who are supposed to talk about all aspects of the movie - were too busy talking about half-naked characters and Kristen Stewart's acting..... and completely ignoring the good work done by Alexandre Desplat.<br><br>It was pretty much the same with I Am Number Four...<br><br>It's not that Trevor created a "bad" score, it's simply a case of a nice, little score that went under the radar. No one bothered to talk about it..... Just like his score for Torque, which as far as I'm concerned is one of his best scores.I just find it odd how people gravitate to the triumphant or inspirational music first, rather than the more subtle, unique pieces.<br>===========================<br><br><br>I totally get what you're saying. I also get kinda frustrated when a "big" track overshadows an entire score. The best recent examples are IMO the Transformers scores. I don't blame folks for gravitating towards the epic sound and the power anthems, but A LOT of subtle, equally great tracks end up getting completely ignored. And just like you, they're usually my favorite tracks. <br><br>But why most people don't think like us?<br><br>The reason I think is because those "big tracks" are presented - most of the time - during the most memorable moments in those movies. They immediately get people's attention. They're stuck in their mind along with those iconic images. And I think by nature, people are more attracted to the big and "in your face". For most casual listeners the more subtle tracks work in the context of the movie and they absolutely do notice them while watching the actual film. But unlike you and I they don't feel the need to listen to them separately. They're too busy paying attention to the "big track". That goes even for some score fans.<br><br>While tracks like the Star War theme, the Indy theme, the Transformers theme, the Gladiator theme, the Godfather theme, the Armageddon theme, the Pirates theme, the Lord of the Rings theme are so big, melodic abd easily digestable that folks simply can't resist them. And when there are vocals involved as well (like Gladiator) it's even better, because people treat it as a full-blown song. An emotional song that they can listen to over and over again.<br><br>The subtle tracks simply can't win against that. Sadly....<br><br>By the way, speaking of The Island, My Name is Lincoln (as much as I like it) is not my favorite track of the score. The more subtle opening track (The Island Awaits You) and especially the Lima One Alpha theme are my personal favorite tracks. Of course, they're nowhere near My Name is Lincoln, in terms of popularity.<br>Why is Romanian Wind not sequenced after Case Re-Opened? Is not the former 7M48 and the latter 7M47?
Yeah that is true, can’t argue there lol<br><br>And is it me or does “Calypso Must Be Released” sound like Black Hawk Down?To be fair there is a lot of King Arthur in At World's End too. Just the general feeling you get from the action tracks in both scores is virtually identical. Hell, one of the main themes from King Arthur even appears when Bootstrap Bill remembers that Will is his son.@MrTweedy<br>That’s totally fine, everyone has their own favorite HZ scores, which is awesome!<br><br>It’s funny though, I feel like DMC is far more schizophrenic than AWE. Now don’t get me wrong, I absolutely love DMC. It’s the score that got me into Hans Zimmer. But still, I feel like a major part of that score is note-for-note reprises of cues/themes from COTBP. Not to mention the temp tracking of King Arthur.<br><br>AWE always felt far more original to me, especially considering that the entire tone of the music shifts from the “rock’n’roll” sound of the first two to a more traditional score (at least by Hans Zimmer standards lol)@MrTweedy<br><br>Just curious, what scores do you considered to be Zimmer's best?The Pinnacle of Hans' career?<br>Although I really like this score, I don't agree. But hey, I know it's just a matter of opinion, okay? ;)<br><br>Of course it shows Hans strengths in almost every area (action, drama, romance, comedy...) but for me it's too much of a medley of previous works, without much personality.<br>It feels a bit like a palette with too many colors. From the action sequences borrowed from Drop Zone, to the Morricone inspirations for Jack's Sequences, to Gladiator's duduk that ended up there with no real reason, to a beautiful Love Theme that brings another new shape to the sonic identity... it's like the score sometimes goes schizophrenic.<br><br>Though each individual idea is really enjoyable to listen to, I think Hans has made scores that are much more cohesive and enjoyable as a whole!
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Batman Begins (Expanded Score)
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  1. Batman Titles (0:51)
  2. Young Bruce Falls (1:49)
  3. Prison Nightmare (1:01)
  4. Meeting Ducard (1:57)
  5. The Long Walk (2:19)
  6. Monastery (2:45)
  7. Father To The Rescue (2:12)
  8. Bruce’s Discomfort (0:37)
  9. Mugging (Part 1) (1:18)
  10. Mugging (Part 2) (2:50)
  11. Training (2:50)
  12. Campfire (3:27)
  13. Courthouse (Part 1) (2:39)
  14. Your System Is Broken (0:56)
  15. Meeting Falcone (3:08)
  16. Decision (2:31)
  17. Hide In The Dark (2:59)
  18. Initiation Into League (2:31)
  19. Temple Fight (4:05)
  20. Return To Gotham (0:51)
  21. Crane Warns Rachel (Part 1) (0:59)
  22. Crane Warns Rachel (Part 2) (1:14)
  23. The Bat Cave (2:57)
  24. Wayne Enterprises (1:24)
  25. Prototypes (1:41)
  26. Preparing Equipment (1:49)
  27. Why Bats (2:34)
  28. Dockyard Ambush (Part 1) (2:51)
  29. Dockyard Ambush (Part 2) (0:29)
  30. Rachel Attacked (2:24)
  31. Microwave Stolen (1:24)
  32. Meeting Rachel (1:37)
  33. Crane’s Mask (0:44)
  34. Gordon At Home (1:27)
  35. Batman On Fire (2:31)
  36. Finders Keepers (Part 1) (0:52)
  37. Finders Keepers (Part 2) (0:56)
  38. Fox Is Fired (1:11)
  39. Making Medicine (4:08)
  40. Fight In Crane’s Lab (Part 1) (4:44)
  41. Fight In Crane’s Lab (Part 2) (0:26)
  42. Fight In Crane’s Lab (Part 3) (0:45)
  43. Backup (1:34)
  44. Batmobile Chase (5:01)
  45. Rachel In Bat Cave (1:26)
  46. Your Father’s Name (0:55)
  47. Crane Interrogated (0:33)
  48. Ducard Appears (1:08)
  49. Ducard & Gotham’s Fate (3:30)
  50. Bruce Left For Dead (3:14)
  51. Antidote (3:32)
  52. Batman Arrives (2:30)
  53. Rescue Rachel (2:55)
  54. Final Confrontation (1:19)
  55. Train Fight (Part 1) (1:59)
  56. Train Fight (Part 2) (1:23)
  57. Danger Over (0:52)
  58. Surveying The Ruins (3:19)
  59. Gordon Says Thanks (1:51)
  60. End Credits (3:30)
  61. Ra’s Al Ghul Suite (7:15)
  62. Batman Theme (3:16)
  63. Prison Nightmare (Alternate Mix) (1:01)
  64. Monastery (Alternate Mix) (2:45)
  65. Father To The Rescue (Alternate Mix) (2:12)
  66. Mugging (Part 1) (Alternate Mix) (1:06)
  67. Mugging (Part 2) (Alternate Mix) (2:50)
  68. Training (Alternate Mix 1) (2:53)
  69. Training (Alternate Mix 2) (2:49)
  70. Campfire (Alternate Mix 1) (3:27)
  71. Campfire (Alternate Mix 2) (3:27)
  72. Your System Is Broken (Alternate Mix) (0:56)
  73. Meeting Falcone (Alternate Mix) (3:09)
  74. Decision (Alternate Mix) (2:31)
  75. Crane Warns Rachel (Part 1) (Alternate Mix) (0:58)
  76. Crane Warns Rachel (Part 2) (Alternate Mix) (1:14)
  77. Preparing Equipment (Alternate Mix) (1:54)
  78. Why Bats? (Alternate) (2:33)
  79. Batman On Fire (Alternate) (2:28)
  80. Batmobile Chase (Alternate Mix) (4:51)
  81. Gordon Says Thanks (Alternate Mix) (1:51)
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Lincoln Clay reply Replies: 1 || 2018-03-31 06:28:29
Please someone write Composer details?


superultramegaa2018-03-31 13:40:12
We do not, and will never know composer details. As said numerous times on every Batman movie thread, James Newton Howard, and the other writers were throwing out ideas with Zimmer and each other from the beginning. We will never know who did what because this score was truly a co-composing in the most literal sense.

For an idea of what James Newton did, look at Hybrid's comment where he lists the track that we know that he was involved in. Though we don't know if he co-wrote them, or did them himself. We also know Ramin helped with "Training", and Balfe arranged "Backup", and "Batmobile Chase".

Hanzi reply Replies: 22 || 2012-07-24 09:12:37
Does anyone know where is the music on this complete score when Batman first meets Gordon ("you're a good cop , one of the few") and has to escape from the police station?
Thank you


Hybrid Soldier2012-07-24 09:56:36
The cue, called Batman Visits Gordon, is missing, like a few others : Courthouse Pt 2, Finch Is Killed & a part of Fight In Crane's Lab...

As for JNH's involvement, though crediting is quite hard cause the basic material for the score was written by both Hans & James, but I can tell you that he was "in charge" of :

Father To The Rescue
Campfire
Your System Is Broken
Hide In The Dark
Initiation Into League
Temple Fight
Return To Gotham
Crane Warns Rachel
The Bat Cave
Wayne Enterprises
Prototypes
Batman Visits Gordon
Dockyard Ambush Pt1
Meeting Rachel
Microwave Stolen
Fox Is Fired
Surveying The Ruins

I miss a few, but you can certainly add to that cues like Finders Keepers Pt 1, Your Father's Name, Bruce Left For Dead.

That doesn't really seem like he did nothing... ;)


Hanzi2012-07-24 10:04:43
Thank you for your answer Hybrid:)
So that means the track 25. Batman Visits Gordon (1:12)included on some bootlegs contains FX?



Hybrid Soldier2012-07-24 10:10:18
Yes they generally are DVD rips.


Hanzi2012-07-24 10:20:51
Thank you for the information Hybrid :)
Strangely I was sure the music from "Batman visits Gordon" was originally on the official soundtrack : my bad :)


Hybrid Soldier2012-07-24 10:23:26
Not in Begins but in TDK's OST in "I'm Not A Hero", there's an almost identical reprise of it in it... :P


cheesy2012-07-24 15:15:27
Are you sure about Initiation Into League/Bruce Left for Dead/Dockyard Ambush Pt. 1/The Bat Cave?

I don't mean to question you, but those sure sound a lot like Zimmer tracks to me. It'd be fascinating otherwise.


Mr. Charles2012-07-24 19:22:48
Thanks for all the info, Hybrid. Like I said down below, trying to prove people wrong, Hans wrote the majority, JNH did the rest.

Now I have to agree with Cheesy, is "The Batcave" REALLY JNH? I know you have your sources Hybrid, but that's got Zimmer's main 2-note Batman theme in it, finishing off the track. I could swear it's Zimmer. But I'm not doubting you


Anonymous2012-07-25 09:49:50
there are no missing parts Hybrid, those cues exist. I have those cues, and they are not dvd-rips


Mr. Charles2012-07-25 16:27:32
Ya, I happen to have those "missing cues" as well, and they're genuine 320kbps. Clean, no DVD rip


cheesy2012-07-26 06:41:52
Wat? Since when? Did I miss this party?


Bou2012-07-27 09:39:13
You really think that if these famous "missing cues" were available , FX free , genuine or anything you prefer , they would not be included in the HZ.com BB tracklist?
DVD rips! that's all FAKE!


Mike2012-11-30 08:12:14
Regarding JNH and the Bat Cave: are you ABSOLUTELY sure that was Howard? Your System is Broken also sounded heavily "Zimmer" to me. I mean, you're the boss, but...


Mike2012-11-30 08:13:48
Oh shoot, I feel annoying. Two people said the same thing above.


Anonymous2013-08-01 16:43:41
JNH said he had a stronger presence in the first half of the film and Zimmer had a stronger presence in the second half, so those credits up there actually make some form of sense, even if JNH used Zimmer's themes a lot.


Anonymous2013-08-01 22:18:47
I know this has no real basis, but if I had to guess which tracks were Zimmer based on Hybrid's list of Howard stuff, I would say Zimmer was "in charge of":

Young Bruce Falls
The Long Walk
Training
Why Bats?
Gordon at Home
Batman On Fire
Finders Keepers pt. 2
Fight in Crane's Lab (all parts)
Back Up (yes I know Lorne arranged this one)
Batmobile chase
Batman Arrives
All the final fight music
Danger Over
Gordon Says Thanks


Mike (OTM)2017-08-12 04:29:09
I think there's a lot of leeway with respect to who was "in charge of what" here, especially where Hans' two-note theme is prominent. Just recently in an interview for Dunkirk, Nolan talked about "Hans' music" during the Bat Cave scene of Begins, so Hans definitely was involved there.

Plus, the end of "The Bat Cave" is reprised a few times in TDK and TDKR, and in all those cases, it's Zimmer who's in charge. We know BB was a co-written score, so everyone was kind of involved with everything.


lordy2017-08-12 09:34:53
Hybrid, is there an explanation why the cue "Courthouse Pt 2" missing?


Mike (OTM)2017-08-12 18:01:11
Courthouse Part 2 isn't the only cue missing...We also have "Batman Visits Gordon," already mentioned, and also the cue when Carl, the DA, gets shot, and then Batman sees the kid in the Narrows. I really love the last cue, too. :(


Cameron2017-08-12 19:40:01
Well, I guess that explains why JNH sounds like Zimmer quite a bit in that score. I wonder why they didn't use the same collaborative style in TDK.


Mike (OTM)2017-11-16 01:05:55
@Cameron, they were located separately during the making of TDK, if I recall correctly. So work had to be more split up.


lordy2018-03-15 20:58:48
@Mike (OTM): but any idea or explanation, why these cues are missing? especially why aren't they on the tracklist here on the official zimmer page?


Dawn2018-03-16 00:48:07
@lordy
This all depends on how the music leaks. Many, many unofficial releases are incomplete.
Mostly because :
#1 they weren't properly ripped from the archives
#2 all tracks couldn't be located
#3 files are damaged
#4 someone decided not to share them (but I doubt this as in this case the missing tracks seem quite random and far from being the iconic ones)

The only way to get them is to wait and hope for someone else to share a version from another source!

Mike (OTM) reply Replies: 5 || 2017-11-26 04:46:21
Whenever I listen to The Dark Knight, where Howard's involvement was diminished, and Rises, where it's pretty much absent, I realize how much heart he helped give to Batman Begins. His presence was there in The Dark Knight, but TDK was a Hans score with some James at specific points, because they were working separately during the process.

But Begins was really Hans and James (and Mel and Lorne and Ramin, too...) and it had more heartfelt moments consistently throughout. You can hear the musical relationships Bruce has with Rachel and with his parents, and it's a really nice complement to all the dark/brooding/ambient/action material. "Your Father's Name," "Father to the Rescue," and tons of other cues really give Begins a warmer sounding score and make it more well-rounded.

Hans wrote some emotional stuff in TDK and TDKR (particularly the Dark Knight suite), but that's more emotional in a powerful or tragic kind of way. James' contributions to these scores felt more emotional in a loving and deep kind of way. Has anybody else thought about this?

Also, while I'm here, if JNH had worked on TDKR, I wonder if the Harvey Dent theme would have come back for the subplot of his. I've always wondered why Hans and co. didn't bring that theme back. Instead, they kind of created a new theme for the Dent stuff ("The Truth About Harvey Dent" and "Gotham is Yours").


James2017-11-26 11:05:20
I also like Howard's contributions very much. Batman begins is the second among my two favourite scores of the Nolan trilogy. ;)

Unfortunately I think the contribution between JNH and HZ was always more a matter of support than the desire to do something together (Zimmer says inviting Howard to work with him was promise made in the middle of the years 90). Hans thought needed Howard's name beside him so his score was better accepted in the eyes of the aficionados by the music of 89. Not that he needed, of course. But doing the BB score and giving a new musical identity to Batman was one of the biggest challenges of his career.


James2017-11-26 11:08:57
and Howard accepted the challenge, even with so many people going against the two working together. It was a riot at the time. lol


Hybrid Soldier2017-11-26 12:08:32
Wait wait what's this story... "better accepted" ? Hans couldn't care less about that.

Hans & James were going to score Secret Window together but James was too exhausted after The Village to dive into it so they cancelled. And when Nolan came to Hans, Hans' first reaction was to bring James...

Also, if Begins blends more as a collaboration between the two, it's because of Ramin, who's style can match both Hans & James perfectly... :)


James2017-11-26 12:26:04
lol

Thank you for your attention, Hybrid!
I always let myself think too much about certain situations. I've gone too far, I recognise. Particularly I don't know anything about the behind the scenes of the productions. I couldn't even do it. I don't live in the USA. :D
But the impression I've always had is that James has always been there to give a "hi" and satisfy Hans ' willingness to see them working together.
Wanting or not, TDK trilogy music was not destroyed by criticism because of Howard's involvement. Unfortunately they tend to exaggerate in negative commentary when the name of Zimmer is associated with the score.


Mike (OTM)2017-11-26 23:50:27
Interesting, Hybrid, about Ramin...We know he worked on Training and the Ra's al Ghul suite, which both sound like a bridge between Zimmer and Howard. Do you know what other cues he worked on? And for that matter, out of curiosity, do you have any knowledge of what cues are primarily Hans? It's easier to tell what's James, whereas Hans could be Hans + Ramin, Lorne, or Mel... So it would be intriguing to know which cues are 90% Zimmer or more.

Peter reply Replies: 0 || 2017-11-03 15:34:12
Who exactly composed the songs, I ask about these partners Hans and James?

Cameron reply Replies: 3 || 2017-08-10 23:03:47
Hybrid, I know a definitive credits list is not really possible. However, you did say which cues JNH was in charge of. Could you perhaps do the same for Zimmer?


Mike (OTM)2017-08-11 01:51:32
Same question!


Cameron2017-08-11 02:34:43
Also, are we 1000% sure (you read that right) that "Batman Visits Gordon" isn't legit? I've listened to it myself. Didn't hear the slightest bit of SFX.


Cameron2017-08-11 22:22:17
Never mind about BVG, I've now heard the evidence that it is indeed a DVD rip.

Cameron reply Replies: 1 || 2017-07-20 21:22:28
Question about "Batman On Fire," the film version. I seem to have heard another mix where the opening synth, instead of fading in, starts right up and is rather jarring. It's hard to explain without being able to upload it, but does anyone know what I'm talking about?


skeletonmage2017-08-09 00:33:06
The film version starts with the alternate and switches over to the non-alternate in the middle.

superultramegaa reply Replies: 2 || 2017-06-07 01:22:38
Does anyone have the film version of "Backup" here? While the Lorne Balfe cue and end credits versions are both really good, I would be extremely interested in the film edit if it's available.


Mike (Otm)2017-06-07 16:14:02
Agreed. Love the film version.


superultramegaa2017-06-10 21:07:01
Also, I'm curious about a particular song in this score, "Courthouse Part 1," was that Hans Zimmer? I always thought it sounded like some of Zimmer's emotional suites in thing like "Bootstrap Bill" in Pirates of the Caribbean 1, or "You're my Boy" in The Amazing Spider-Man 2. Plus I think the choir they use in "Courthouse" and "Mugging Part 2" is Zimmer as he uses it in TDKR (I know that's not proof but it's an assumption,) and similar notes appear in Ra's Al Ghul's death and Dockyard Ambush's ending. Plus JNH's version of "Courthouse," in TDK in "I Am The Batman" sounds very different, so I'm really wondering how much involvement he had in the track.

Cameron reply Replies: 2 || 2016-05-10 18:30:47
No one seems to have this exact version. Only the one where all the cues are combined.


Russel2016-05-10 21:53:09
I think you should request it.


Cameron2016-05-11 22:48:42
What do you mean?

Cameron reply Replies: 0 || 2016-05-11 00:36:27
Where? Here? When last I looked, they didn't share here. Unless you mean something else???

Dukard reply Replies: 0 || 2015-12-30 00:37:15
I keep seeing an unlisted track called "Teddy Bears" on a few sights but can't seem to listen to it.

Mike reply Replies: 4 || 2014-08-08 03:33:40
How were Tom Gire and John Sponsler associated with Batman Begins? The movie is listed on the magic box site, but this site has nothing relating them to this score.


Anonymous2014-08-08 03:36:11
probably did a trailer or something


Anonymous2014-08-08 04:50:02
Mike, it says right on the page "Trailer". There's your answer -_-


Drunkenmunkey2014-08-08 05:35:32
LOL


Mike2014-08-08 18:59:48
My bad.... :P

smooth reply Replies: 1 || 2014-02-20 17:46:52
someone has the music trailers batman begins?

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Nyct2014-05-10 04:01:43
Depends on the trailer.

Mike reply Replies: 0 || 2014-05-09 21:22:43
I noticed recently how quietly mixed the "Prototypes" cue is in the movie. Weird considering that Nolan usually likes the music to be loud (as Hans himself said in a Q&A session once). A shame, cause it's a neat cue and you can barely hear it.

smooth reply Replies: 0 || 2014-02-20 17:41:36
it´s is real??? scoring sessions is real?

Mike reply Replies: 0 || 2014-02-14 00:29:24
For those, like me, who are wondering how much of Batmobile Chase was really Lorne Balfe's creative genius, listen to the "Final Confrontation" cue (the one right before Train Fight). If Hans did that cue, then we can know Batmobile Chase is at least 95% Zimmer, even if Lorne Balfe TECHNICALLY arranged it.

RealFfingMusic reply Replies: 6 || 2014-02-11 14:34:34
Can we have a complete list of who did what here?


Mike2014-02-11 15:19:44
Hybrid has said a billion times that such a thing is impossible. We know the following:

Ramin Djawadi was involved with Training and Lasiurus
Lorne Balfe was involved with Batmobile Chase and Backup
Mel Wesson did the ambient material in the score
And then the James Newton Howard contributions are, generally, rather obvious. But he uses a lot of HZ material and style throughout the score, so it's not black and white.


Edmund Meinerts2014-02-11 15:28:32
Yeah. Plus, Hybrid posted a list of cues that JNH was "in charge of" just below this thread.


RealFfingMusic2014-02-11 15:39:55
Sorry, didn't know the detailed history.
:)


RealFfingMusic2014-02-11 15:45:20
Was Vespertilio re-used in DKR?


Mike2014-02-11 16:16:29
Well, not exactly like that....It's the main theme throughout the films, so it popped up essentially at various points, but the closest thing to it being used directly in TDKR was the Hospital Visit cue.


RealFfingMusic2014-02-11 17:38:50
Oh. Thanks Mike.

Anonymous reply Replies: 1 || 2014-02-10 17:18:58
hybrid, zimmer wrote the theme used in training right? because he used that theme again in tdk and there was no ramin credit.


Mike2014-02-10 17:26:21
This is something I wondered myself as well. Cause if Ramin really wrote that theme (as opposed to just arranging it after Hans wrote it), he basically wrote the most important theme out of the trilogy (and the theme which made the endings of TDK and TDKR so memorable).

Mike reply Replies: 0 || 2014-01-04 02:23:00
In Kung Fu Panda, certain ghostwriters would be involved with each specific composer (Paul Mounsey did cues for Powell while Lorne did cues for Zimmer, for example). Was it similar here? Like, if Ramin Djawadi did some cues, they were for Zimmer, not Howard?

Anon1 reply Replies: 1 || 2013-08-01 22:08:54
I love how the end of the alternate version of "Batman on Fire" uses Zimmer/Howard's so-called Batman "theme". I also prefer that one because there's less vocals. Wish it had been used in the film.


Mike2013-08-01 22:09:54
This might sound bizarre, but with the muted vocals that track really reminds me of "Am I Not Merciful?".

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2013-08-01 21:57:29
The 10 seconds from 2:23-2:33 in Making Medicine are great! :D

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2013-08-01 16:08:10
What exactly is the point of having some cues split into "Part 1" and "Part 2"?

James reply Replies: 1 || 2013-06-14 09:12:47
I honestly think this is one of the best scores ever written. Proof of this comes from the fact that it's been copied by every action film and movie trailer since 2005. It's just a genius piece of work and fits the movie perfectly.


Ted2013-06-15 22:25:30
You have a really bizarre idea of what "proof" is. The score is copied because Batman Begins and The Dark Knight were successful and revolutionized superhero movies in general. Now every director wants their films to be like Nolan's films and that includes music that sounds like Zimmer.

Anonymous reply Replies: 5 || 2013-05-16 02:37:36
does this have the film mix of the tumbler chase?


Anon-e-missing2013-05-20 05:17:03
This reminds me: can anyone tell me why these scores contain cues as originally recorded, but not the final film versions also/instead (like Backup)?


Mike2013-05-20 05:22:33
If I had to guess, I would say the purpose of the cue sheet is to determine what goes where...Not to document all the music written/used, necessarily...I dunno. It is a shame, though. The film version of Backup is intense.


Anonymous2013-05-27 21:16:32
Speaking of Backup, I find it really interesting that even though Lorne Balfe arranged the cue, we now know:

--what Backup would sound like if Lorne were totally in charge of it (the cue on his site)
--what Backup would sound like if whoever the music mixer was had his way with Lorne's cue (the film version)
--and now, what Backup would sound like if Hans Zimmer was in charge: 1:10-2:43 in "Imagine the Fire"!


Dawn2013-05-27 23:45:22
Mmmhhh honestly, I think that, though Lorne has Backup on his website, he only arranged some HZ suite/material. For me Backup is 100% HZ, but Lorne was asked to arrange the cue to the picture. The same way there's this long HZ "Wayne Manor" suite from TDKR that was arranged to the picture by other team members.


Mike2013-05-28 05:27:10
It seems slightly unfair to me to compare Backup to TDKR's score. Because with TDKR's score, the material from the suites is hardly changed at all. For example, pretty much all the Bane music heard in the movie, or cues like "Blake Visits Wayne Manor", "Take Me to Bane", "Not Meant to Die Here", "He Was the Batman", "No Stone Unturned"--whether or not they were arranged by Hans, they appear in the film exactly as Hans wrote them in his suites. Thus, it truly is 100% Hans.

But something about Backup feels like more than JUST an arrangement of pre-existing themes. As much as Lorne borrowed from existing thematic material, it seems to be far more "original" than the cues from TDKR and Lorne truly deserves to call it his.

cheesy reply Replies: 4 || 2011-08-01 21:27:09
@Hybrid (or anyone else capable) Do you think we could get a track list/log for which composers wrote which cues, like we got with TDK? I've always wondered whether it was HZ or JNH who wrote the music for Ra's Al Ghul.


Agnt007dman2011-08-02 00:08:57
Yes, I second this! Please Hybrid, please!


Yusef2013-05-21 19:36:48
I'm pretty sure the Ra's al Ghul theme was JNH.


billy2013-05-22 19:17:32
I remember that once Hybrid had made a credits list for the OST and the Lasiurus track (which is the Ra’s Al Ghul Suite) was written by JNH.


Hybrid Soldier2013-05-22 19:35:44
Actually after I asked, I was told Djawadi did work on Lasiurus. Did he write it all ? Arrange it ? No idea, but he surely was on it.

Hale reply Replies: 1 || 2011-05-23 17:16:48
These recording sessions are just awesome. If all Zimmer scores could benefit of this kind of release (non-official or official), it would be a better score music world!!


Anonymous2013-05-21 19:33:11
Amen to that!

Wilson reply Replies: 11 || 2013-05-20 09:01:47
What's the probability of this score seeing an official expanded release like the second movie got?


Mike2013-05-20 09:06:39
Rather low, m'friend. Hans Zimmer scores almost never get expanded releases. Hans himself isn't big into those, for some reason (he would do well to learn from Lorne Balfe in that regard... :P). The only reason The Dark Knight got an extended release was because the movie was so immensely popular and that would give the studio even more money. I assume the same can be said for the upcoming Man of Steel album: either the studio is convinced that the film will make a lot of money, and so releasing more music is worth it, or Water Tower had grat sales with The Hobbit's score.

Either way, I wouldn't hold out for a Batman Begins "official" expanded release short of divine intervention. Though believe me, I'd be quite happy if such a thing happened.


Hybrid Soldier2013-05-20 10:09:55
Actually, HZ isn't "against" the idea... Trust me if there's one who would like to see mixes of TLK, TTRL or Black Hawk Down released, it's him !

The problem is he doesn't really have time to give to the past, it's always "the next project" and it never ends.


Anonymous2013-05-20 18:09:23
I wish he would pass it on to someone else to do. I'm sure someone at RCP would love to be given a unique project like that. I know I would haha.


Mike2013-05-20 21:45:59
Interesting...Well, maybe one day he'll be able to take a break like John Powell is doing and get stuff like this rolling.


Lucius2013-05-20 21:53:20
I concur, Anonymous. I love hearing that Hans Zimmer will be scoring a film, but there are a lot of "blossoming" talents at RCP who would probably appreciate the chance to do whole scores and not just additional music/arrangements.


Anonymous2013-05-20 22:01:50
I don't suppose there are any petitions for a two-disc BB soundtrack floating around, are there? :P


Aragorn2013-05-20 22:03:04
Do petitions work for this kinda thing?


Mike2013-05-20 22:05:41
Actually, if I'm remembering correctly, I believe it was a petition that got the first Transformers score released (and that was an excellent album if you ask me!).


Hybrid Soldier2013-05-20 22:22:55
The CD was always planned. Like Armageddon, just very bad timing...


Gator2013-05-21 01:25:16
Yes, the Transformers score was planned from the very beginning, and it was decided to have it released at the same time as the DVD.
Not knowing that, many people got pissed, and started a (useless) petition.


Mike2013-05-21 01:53:24
Well, okay then. No hope for an expanded Begins release, I guess.

Anonymous reply Replies: 1 || 2013-04-09 09:29:04
I love the Batman Arrives track/scene. Just when all feels hopeless you hear the sudden DUN DUN DUN DUN and you know Batman is gonna go pwn some ninjas lol.


Aragorn2013-04-10 07:19:52
Speaking of Batman pwning ninjas, I think it's a shame that the cue for that scene was cut short on the Begins album. There was one really cool part that's missing.

Aragorn reply Replies: 0 || 2013-03-26 07:13:26
"Crane's Mask" is such a creepy track. O_O It is the sound of insanity.

Yo Jo reply Replies: 1 || 2013-03-22 08:03:38
The training music has got of be some of the most beautiful stuff I've heard.


jizzle in yo fizzle2013-03-22 23:54:33
hans should start scoring pornos

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