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I honestly think this is one of the best scores ever written. Proof of this comes from the fact that it's been copied by every action film and movie trailer since 2005. It's just a genius piece of work and fits the movie perfectly.
Ted
2013-06-15 22:25:30
You have a really bizarre idea of what "proof" is. The score is copied because Batman Begins and The Dark Knight were successful and revolutionized superhero movies in general. Now every director wants their films to be like Nolan's films and that includes music that sounds like Zimmer.
This reminds me: can anyone tell me why these scores contain cues as originally recorded, but not the final film versions also/instead (like Backup)?
Mike
2013-05-20 05:22:33
If I had to guess, I would say the purpose of the cue sheet is to determine what goes where...Not to document all the music written/used, necessarily...I dunno. It is a shame, though. The film version of Backup is intense.
Anonymous
2013-05-27 21:16:32
Speaking of Backup, I find it really interesting that even though Lorne Balfe arranged the cue, we now know:
--what Backup would sound like if Lorne were totally in charge of it (the cue on his site) --what Backup would sound like if whoever the music mixer was had his way with Lorne's cue (the film version) --and now, what Backup would sound like if Hans Zimmer was in charge: 1:10-2:43 in "Imagine the Fire"!
Dawn
2013-05-27 23:45:22
Mmmhhh honestly, I think that, though Lorne has Backup on his website, he only arranged some HZ suite/material. For me Backup is 100% HZ, but Lorne was asked to arrange the cue to the picture. The same way there's this long HZ "Wayne Manor" suite from TDKR that was arranged to the picture by other team members.
Mike
2013-05-28 05:27:10
It seems slightly unfair to me to compare Backup to TDKR's score. Because with TDKR's score, the material from the suites is hardly changed at all. For example, pretty much all the Bane music heard in the movie, or cues like "Blake Visits Wayne Manor", "Take Me to Bane", "Not Meant to Die Here", "He Was the Batman", "No Stone Unturned"--whether or not they were arranged by Hans, they appear in the film exactly as Hans wrote them in his suites. Thus, it truly is 100% Hans.
But something about Backup feels like more than JUST an arrangement of pre-existing themes. As much as Lorne borrowed from existing thematic material, it seems to be far more "original" than the cues from TDKR and Lorne truly deserves to call it his.
@Hybrid (or anyone else capable) Do you think we could get a track list/log for which composers wrote which cues, like we got with TDK? I've always wondered whether it was HZ or JNH who wrote the music for Ra's Al Ghul.
Agnt007dman
2011-08-02 00:08:57
Yes, I second this! Please Hybrid, please!
Yusef
2013-05-21 19:36:48
I'm pretty sure the Ra's al Ghul theme was JNH.
billy
2013-05-22 19:17:32
I remember that once Hybrid had made a credits list for the OST and the Lasiurus track (which is the Ra’s Al Ghul Suite) was written by JNH.
Hybrid Soldier
2013-05-22 19:35:44
Actually after I asked, I was told Djawadi did work on Lasiurus. Did he write it all ? Arrange it ? No idea, but he surely was on it.
These recording sessions are just awesome. If all Zimmer scores could benefit of this kind of release (non-official or official), it would be a better score music world!!
What's the probability of this score seeing an official expanded release like the second movie got?
Mike
2013-05-20 09:06:39
Rather low, m'friend. Hans Zimmer scores almost never get expanded releases. Hans himself isn't big into those, for some reason (he would do well to learn from Lorne Balfe in that regard... :P). The only reason The Dark Knight got an extended release was because the movie was so immensely popular and that would give the studio even more money. I assume the same can be said for the upcoming Man of Steel album: either the studio is convinced that the film will make a lot of money, and so releasing more music is worth it, or Water Tower had grat sales with The Hobbit's score.
Either way, I wouldn't hold out for a Batman Begins "official" expanded release short of divine intervention. Though believe me, I'd be quite happy if such a thing happened.
Hybrid Soldier
2013-05-20 10:09:55
Actually, HZ isn't "against" the idea... Trust me if there's one who would like to see mixes of TLK, TTRL or Black Hawk Down released, it's him !
The problem is he doesn't really have time to give to the past, it's always "the next project" and it never ends.
Anonymous
2013-05-20 18:09:23
I wish he would pass it on to someone else to do. I'm sure someone at RCP would love to be given a unique project like that. I know I would haha.
Mike
2013-05-20 21:45:59
Interesting...Well, maybe one day he'll be able to take a break like John Powell is doing and get stuff like this rolling.
Lucius
2013-05-20 21:53:20
I concur, Anonymous. I love hearing that Hans Zimmer will be scoring a film, but there are a lot of "blossoming" talents at RCP who would probably appreciate the chance to do whole scores and not just additional music/arrangements.
Anonymous
2013-05-20 22:01:50
I don't suppose there are any petitions for a two-disc BB soundtrack floating around, are there? :P
Aragorn
2013-05-20 22:03:04
Do petitions work for this kinda thing?
Mike
2013-05-20 22:05:41
Actually, if I'm remembering correctly, I believe it was a petition that got the first Transformers score released (and that was an excellent album if you ask me!).
Hybrid Soldier
2013-05-20 22:22:55
The CD was always planned. Like Armageddon, just very bad timing...
Gator
2013-05-21 01:25:16
Yes, the Transformers score was planned from the very beginning, and it was decided to have it released at the same time as the DVD. Not knowing that, many people got pissed, and started a (useless) petition.
Mike
2013-05-21 01:53:24
Well, okay then. No hope for an expanded Begins release, I guess.
I love the Batman Arrives track/scene. Just when all feels hopeless you hear the sudden DUN DUN DUN DUN and you know Batman is gonna go pwn some ninjas lol.
Aragorn
2013-04-10 07:19:52
Speaking of Batman pwning ninjas, I think it's a shame that the cue for that scene was cut short on the Begins album. There was one really cool part that's missing.
This has to be my favorite score of this trilogy. There was a mysterious quality to it that the others lacked. Maybe it was because it used the two-note theme a lot, which Zimmer said "almost had a question" in it.
If I only had a nickel for every time I see a die-hard Zimmer & Howard fan demanding the expanded or complete film score of Batman Begins... and I happened to be one of them.
Mike
2012-12-28 01:10:46
A two-CD release like we got for TDK would be really, really awesome. Problem is, I think TDK only got that since the movie was so popular. This movie wasn't.
You said you couldn't give the credits for this score since the main stuff was written by both Hans and James, with Hans sometimes using James' stuff and James sometimes using Hans' stuff. You said, though, that you could give the credits for TDK since it's more clear-cut.
However, TDK has quite a bit of temp music in it (LSI Extraction is Batman Visits Gordon, Trip to Hong Kong is Preparing Equipment, You're Gonna Love Me is part of Fight in Crane's Lab)...SO THE QUESTION, THEN, is this: if you can say who composed the temp music in TDK, can you say who composed the same thing in Begins or not?
Something I find interesting about this score is the lack of theme suite material on CD3 (besides Ra's Al Ghul and Batman Theme). It's mostly alternate cues. Speaking of which, it seems we got the alternate version of Batmobile Chase on the album. I wonder why.
Hybrid Soldier@ we want the full credits of the expanded score.
Mike
2012-12-07 20:14:25
Guys, he already said it's too hard for this one. And besides, he's been nice enough to give us the credits to At World's End, TDKR, and (soon) TDK, so be thankful for what we have.
Hybrid Soldier
2012-12-07 20:25:43
I can give you Transformers 2 if you want, to apologize... xD
thejok3rrules
2012-12-07 22:21:01
PLEASE!! :D
Mike
2012-12-08 03:22:42
PLEASE seconded. I'd be interested in knowing what "additional music" Zimmer wrote.
I cant tell you exactly but in batman begins it is like 70% james newton howard and 30% hans zimmer
james newton howard does the slower more romantic feeling
and hans zimmer does the action sequences
Luna
2012-07-23 23:18:14
I Can say the same thing in the dark knight Ex. Watch the world burn
Mr. Charles
2012-07-24 00:32:27
I think you guys are wrong. I found a site that has the slate numbers of the cues that JNH composed. There were only a handful of them. And there is a LOT of action music in BB.
The same view for TDK. HZ composed the majority, JNH did the rest, and then Lorne Balfe and Henry Jackman each have a cue.
Also, notice how on the front of each it says "Music Composed by Hans Zimmer & James Newton Howard", not vice versa
Mike
2012-11-30 08:25:03
Yeah, I definitely think Anonymous is mistaken. There's no way Begins is 70% Howard and 30% Zimmer. When most people think of the score (with me included), they think of the Hans Zimmer parts of it.
Hybrid Soldier
2012-11-30 13:47:55
It's a bit more complicated than that... It's HZ/JNH, that's all !
Ramin had a big input as well. Everyone forgets about that.
Mel's cues are pretty obvious (Titles, Bruce Discomfort, Mugging, Crane's Mask...). Lorne arranged some cues (Backup...).
Mike
2012-11-30 19:13:29
Fair enough, Hybrid. :)
Mike
2012-11-30 19:16:06
Hmm, so Mel did the stuff that sounds more ambient than musical...Interesting.
Hybrid Soldier
2012-11-30 19:23:58
Well, that's his job !
He's not exactly the big Ambient Music Designer of RCP for nothing !!
Does anyone know where is the music on this complete score when Batman first meets Gordon ("you're a good cop , one of the few") and has to escape from the police station? Thank you
Hybrid Soldier
2012-07-24 09:56:36
The cue, called Batman Visits Gordon, is missing, like a few others : Courthouse Pt 2, Finch Is Killed & a part of Fight In Crane's Lab...
As for JNH's involvement, though crediting is quite hard cause the basic material for the score was written by both Hans & James, but I can tell you that he was "in charge" of :
Father To The Rescue Campfire Your System Is Broken Hide In The Dark Initiation Into League Temple Fight Return To Gotham Crane Warns Rachel The Bat Cave Wayne Enterprises Prototypes Batman Visits Gordon Dockyard Ambush Pt1 Meeting Rachel Microwave Stolen Fox Is Fired Surveying The Ruins
I miss a few, but you can certainly add to that cues like Finders Keepers Pt 1, Your Father's Name, Bruce Left For Dead.
That doesn't really seem like he did nothing... ;)
Hanzi
2012-07-24 10:04:43
Thank you for your answer Hybrid:) So that means the track 25. Batman Visits Gordon (1:12)included on some bootlegs contains FX?
Hybrid Soldier
2012-07-24 10:10:18
Yes they generally are DVD rips.
Hanzi
2012-07-24 10:20:51
Thank you for the information Hybrid :) Strangely I was sure the music from "Batman visits Gordon" was originally on the official soundtrack : my bad :)
Hybrid Soldier
2012-07-24 10:23:26
Not in Begins but in TDK's OST in "I'm Not A Hero", there's an almost identical reprise of it in it... :P
cheesy
2012-07-24 15:15:27
Are you sure about Initiation Into League/Bruce Left for Dead/Dockyard Ambush Pt. 1/The Bat Cave?
I don't mean to question you, but those sure sound a lot like Zimmer tracks to me. It'd be fascinating otherwise.
Mr. Charles
2012-07-24 19:22:48
Thanks for all the info, Hybrid. Like I said down below, trying to prove people wrong, Hans wrote the majority, JNH did the rest.
Now I have to agree with Cheesy, is "The Batcave" REALLY JNH? I know you have your sources Hybrid, but that's got Zimmer's main 2-note Batman theme in it, finishing off the track. I could swear it's Zimmer. But I'm not doubting you
Anonymous
2012-07-25 09:49:50
there are no missing parts Hybrid, those cues exist. I have those cues, and they are not dvd-rips
Mr. Charles
2012-07-25 16:27:32
Ya, I happen to have those "missing cues" as well, and they're genuine 320kbps. Clean, no DVD rip
cheesy
2012-07-26 06:41:52
Wat? Since when? Did I miss this party?
Bou
2012-07-27 09:39:13
You really think that if these famous "missing cues" were available , FX free , genuine or anything you prefer , they would not be included in the HZ.com BB tracklist? DVD rips! that's all FAKE!
Mike
2012-11-30 08:12:14
Regarding JNH and the Bat Cave: are you ABSOLUTELY sure that was Howard? Your System is Broken also sounded heavily "Zimmer" to me. I mean, you're the boss, but...
Mike
2012-11-30 08:13:48
Oh shoot, I feel annoying. Two people said the same thing above.
What exactly is the point of all the alternate mixes? Were they written "just in case"?
Dawn
2012-10-08 09:49:10
I think they composed the "aternate mixes" first, then the director or production asked for "more strings here, less drums here". The composer has to change those details, and try the new version over the pictures. The writing process is always tricky, and the first version of a cue is rarely the "good one". Though alternate mixes aren't very interesting to listen to, they give good insight of how one cue evolved !
Hybrid Soldier
2012-10-08 10:54:36
And generally it's not even the composer doing that, but the music mixer, who has the various stems he mixes.
1. Opening Titles - Young Bruce Falls (2:04) 2. Prison Nightmare (1:04) 3. Meeting Ducard (2:00) 4. The Long Walk (2:24) 5. Monastery (2:47) 6. Father to the Rescue (2:13) 7. Bruce's Discomfort (0:37) 8. Mugging (Part 1) (1:18) 9. Mugging (Part 2) - Gordon Comforts Bruce (2:50) 10. Training (2:51) 11. Campfire - Bruce Goes Home (3:28) 12. Courthouse (Part 1) (2:40) 13. Your System is Broken (0:57) 14. Meeting Falcone (3:10) 15. Decision (2:31) 16. Hide in the Dark (3:01) 17. Initiation Into the League - Temple Fight - Saving Ducard (6:29) 18. Return to Gotham (0:53) 19. Crane Warns Rachel A (1:00) 20. Crane Warns Rachel B (1:21) 21. The Bat Cave (3:01) 22. Wayne Enterprises (1:26) 23. Prototypes (1:40) 24. Preparing Equipment (1:48) 25. Batman Visits Gordon (1:12) 26. I Need You at the Docks - Why Bats (2:35) 27. Dockyard Ambush (3:09) 28. Rachel Attacked (2:24) 29. Microwave Stolen (1:26) 30. Meeting Rachel (1:38) 31. Crane's Mask (0:43) 32. Gordon At Home (1:27) 33. Batman On Fire (2:33) 34. Finder's Keepers (1:41) 35. Fox is Fired (1:13) 36. Making Medicine (4:10) 37. Fight in Crane's Lab (5:01) 38. Back Up (1:34) 39. Batmobile Chase (5:01) 40. Rachel in Bat Cave (1:26) 41. Your Father's Name (0:57) 42. Crane Interrogated (0:34) 43. Ducard Appears (1:10) 44. Ducard and Gotham's Fate - Bruce Left For Dead (6:39) 45. Rachel Gives Gordon the Antidote (3:32) 46. Batman Arrives (2:29) 47. Batman Rescues Rachel - Fight With League (2:55) 48. Final Confrontation (1:20) 49. Train Fight (3:18) 50. Danger Over (0:54) 51. Surveying the Ruins (3:21) 52. Gordon Says Thanks (1:50) 53. End Credits (9:03) 54. Batman Theme (3:16) 55. Prison Nightmare (Alt.) (1:04) 56. Monastery (Alt.) (2:46) 57. Father to the Rescue (Alt.) (2:13) 58. Mugging (Part 1) (Alt.) (1:07) 59. Mugging (Part 2) - Gordon Comforts Bruce (Alt.) (2:51) 60. Training (Alt. 1) (3:00) 61. Training (Alt. 3) (2:52) 62. Campfire - Bruce Goes Home (Alt. 1) (3:29) 63. Campfire - Bruce Goes Home (Alt. 2) (3:29) 64. Your System is Broken (Alt.) (0:56) 65. Meeting Falcone (Alt.) (3:10) 66. Decision (Alt.) (2:32) 67. Crane Warns Rachel A (Alt.) (1:00) 68. Crane Warns Rachel B (Alt.) (1:21) 69. Preparing Equipment (Alt.) (1:54) 70. I Need You at the Docks - Why Bats (Alt.) (2:35) 71. Batman On Fire (Alt.) (2:28) 72. Batmobile Chase (Alt.) (4:52) 73. Gordon Says Thanks (Alt.) (1:51) 74. Original End Credits (7:15)
Per
2011-08-14 18:12:31
It's the same, only some cues have been combined etc.
CD 4 - Special Album - Orchestral Mixes 1. Opening Titles/The Long Walk (2:52) 2. Meeting Duccard/Monastery (3:23) 3. A Fateful Night/Training (5:12) 4. Bruce Goes Home (4:20) 5. Hide In The Dark (2:49) 6. Temple Fight (6:02) 7. The Bat Cave (1:57) 8. Prototypes (1:35) 9. Preparing Equipment/Why Bats? (3:49) 10. Lighten Up (5:11) 11. Meet The Batman (1:30) 12. Batmobile Chase (4:52) 13. Batman Saves Rachel (4:00) 14. A New Beginning (5:03) 15. Special End Credits (8:26) 16. Ra's Al Ghul Suite (7:15) 17. Batman Begins Suite - Live Recording (4:51)
Dawn
2011-07-24 18:57:27
There's an 8 CDs version !
CD5 contains a 60+min suite I've done. CD6 contains the commercial soundtrack arrangements. CD6-7 contain the complete score played backwards. CD-8 contains all the actions cues with more drums added by a friend who knows how to use an audio software ! A-MA-ZING !
Yeah, I am sarcastic. =)
Please, stop the carnage. Guys, STOP putting more and more fanmade, useless stuff online !
Anonymous
2011-07-24 20:37:22
Its a fan-made disc by a Shrine user called Arial :S
Anonymous
2011-07-27 16:24:20
@Dawn: Wow, two times CD6? xD
Yabadapada
2011-07-27 16:42:20
there is also an ultra rare 7th CD with a long burp of Chris nolan (7 secs long) and a record of Christian Bale (it's Batman! oops sorry for the spoiler) screaming at Wally Pfister named : "Am I trashing your lights???!!!" 25 min long : collector! nah , seriously it's getting annoying all this fanmade stuff as Dawn said..
Where is "Courthouse (part2)" in the first CD ? It's probably the music where Bruce Wayne wants to kill his parent's murderer, but a woman do it before him... This music is not in this Recording Sessions...
It's interesting how different versions of cues were used in the film.
When the bats come to the asylum it's the version that plays when the credits start making "back up" unused.
The beginning of final confrontation is tracked in with the same bit from the chase scene.
Batmobile chase while a few seconds longer than the alternate still doesn't have the film version which includes a couple more uses of the main theme and a great drum bit when the batmobile does a 180 in the tunnel.
Where is Courthouse (Part 2) and One More Container / On The Roof?? There are two tracks missing I believe.
Uga
2011-05-24 01:57:23
They are the only ones missing. I hope we get them somehow.
John
2011-05-24 04:25:42
I just realized theres a bit missing on "Preparing Equipment" when Flass starts the ignition on the car and we see Batman crouching over on a roof putting his black mask on. There was music in those few seconds, but it's not on this release. Also is "Crane Warns Rachel" the rejected / original version to when Bruce is at the pay phone and sees Rachel?
Agent Smith
2011-05-24 09:17:41
i would love to get the corthouse cue where the murdering happens, it's really dramatic pure in there, but i doubt we'll get it ever.
John
2011-05-25 00:12:01
Can anyone identify any film versions on CD3 for me? I believe some are film edits such as "Gordon Says Thanks (Alternate)". Is there any other film edits?
Now we just need the 3 pirate recording sessions, especially the rumored 4 disc at world's end.
zach
2011-05-23 03:41:22
i would LOVE to have FULL scores from the POTC movies... i would gladly pay for them if they released them
michael
2011-05-23 08:21:33
Yeh same, I wouldn't care the price just to have the recording sessions to DMC and At world's end, especially having the complete finale battle from AWE.
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