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This has to be my favorite score of this trilogy. There was a mysterious quality to it that the others lacked. Maybe it was because it used the two-note theme a lot, which Zimmer said "almost had a question" in it.
You said you couldn't give the credits for this score since the main stuff was written by both Hans and James, with Hans sometimes using James' stuff and James sometimes using Hans' stuff. You said, though, that you could give the credits for TDK since it's more clear-cut.
However, TDK has quite a bit of temp music in it (LSI Extraction is Batman Visits Gordon, Trip to Hong Kong is Preparing Equipment, You're Gonna Love Me is part of Fight in Crane's Lab)...SO THE QUESTION, THEN, is this: if you can say who composed the temp music in TDK, can you say who composed the same thing in Begins or not?
Something I find interesting about this score is the lack of theme suite material on CD3 (besides Ra's Al Ghul and Batman Theme). It's mostly alternate cues. Speaking of which, it seems we got the alternate version of Batmobile Chase on the album. I wonder why.
Does anyone know where is the music on this complete score when Batman first meets Gordon ("you're a good cop , one of the few") and has to escape from the police station? Thank you
The cue, called Batman Visits Gordon, is missing, like a few others : Courthouse Pt 2, Finch Is Killed & a part of Fight In Crane's Lab...
As for JNH's involvement, though crediting is quite hard cause the basic material for the score was written by both Hans & James, but I can tell you that he was "in charge" of :
Father To The Rescue Campfire Your System Is Broken Hide In The Dark Initiation Into League Temple Fight Return To Gotham Crane Warns Rachel The Bat Cave Wayne Enterprises Prototypes Batman Visits Gordon Dockyard Ambush Pt1 Meeting Rachel Microwave Stolen Fox Is Fired Surveying The Ruins
I miss a few, but you can certainly add to that cues like Finders Keepers Pt 1, Your Father's Name, Bruce Left For Dead.
That doesn't really seem like he did nothing... ;)
Thank you for your answer Hybrid:) So that means the track 25. Batman Visits Gordon (1:12)included on some bootlegs contains FX?
Yes they generally are DVD rips.
Thank you for the information Hybrid :) Strangely I was sure the music from "Batman visits Gordon" was originally on the official soundtrack : my bad :)
Not in Begins but in TDK's OST in "I'm Not A Hero", there's an almost identical reprise of it in it... :P
Are you sure about Initiation Into League/Bruce Left for Dead/Dockyard Ambush Pt. 1/The Bat Cave?
I don't mean to question you, but those sure sound a lot like Zimmer tracks to me. It'd be fascinating otherwise.
Thanks for all the info, Hybrid. Like I said down below, trying to prove people wrong, Hans wrote the majority, JNH did the rest.
Now I have to agree with Cheesy, is "The Batcave" REALLY JNH? I know you have your sources Hybrid, but that's got Zimmer's main 2-note Batman theme in it, finishing off the track. I could swear it's Zimmer. But I'm not doubting you
there are no missing parts Hybrid, those cues exist. I have those cues, and they are not dvd-rips
Ya, I happen to have those "missing cues" as well, and they're genuine 320kbps. Clean, no DVD rip
Wat? Since when? Did I miss this party?
You really think that if these famous "missing cues" were available , FX free , genuine or anything you prefer , they would not be included in the HZ.com BB tracklist? DVD rips! that's all FAKE!
Regarding JNH and the Bat Cave: are you ABSOLUTELY sure that was Howard? Your System is Broken also sounded heavily "Zimmer" to me. I mean, you're the boss, but...
Oh shoot, I feel annoying. Two people said the same thing above.
What exactly is the point of all the alternate mixes? Were they written "just in case"?
I think they composed the "aternate mixes" first, then the director or production asked for "more strings here, less drums here". The composer has to change those details, and try the new version over the pictures. The writing process is always tricky, and the first version of a cue is rarely the "good one". Though alternate mixes aren't very interesting to listen to, they give good insight of how one cue evolved !
And generally it's not even the composer doing that, but the music mixer, who has the various stems he mixes.
1. Opening Titles - Young Bruce Falls (2:04) 2. Prison Nightmare (1:04) 3. Meeting Ducard (2:00) 4. The Long Walk (2:24) 5. Monastery (2:47) 6. Father to the Rescue (2:13) 7. Bruce's Discomfort (0:37) 8. Mugging (Part 1) (1:18) 9. Mugging (Part 2) - Gordon Comforts Bruce (2:50) 10. Training (2:51) 11. Campfire - Bruce Goes Home (3:28) 12. Courthouse (Part 1) (2:40) 13. Your System is Broken (0:57) 14. Meeting Falcone (3:10) 15. Decision (2:31) 16. Hide in the Dark (3:01) 17. Initiation Into the League - Temple Fight - Saving Ducard (6:29) 18. Return to Gotham (0:53) 19. Crane Warns Rachel A (1:00) 20. Crane Warns Rachel B (1:21) 21. The Bat Cave (3:01) 22. Wayne Enterprises (1:26) 23. Prototypes (1:40) 24. Preparing Equipment (1:48) 25. Batman Visits Gordon (1:12) 26. I Need You at the Docks - Why Bats (2:35) 27. Dockyard Ambush (3:09) 28. Rachel Attacked (2:24) 29. Microwave Stolen (1:26) 30. Meeting Rachel (1:38) 31. Crane's Mask (0:43) 32. Gordon At Home (1:27) 33. Batman On Fire (2:33) 34. Finder's Keepers (1:41) 35. Fox is Fired (1:13) 36. Making Medicine (4:10) 37. Fight in Crane's Lab (5:01) 38. Back Up (1:34) 39. Batmobile Chase (5:01) 40. Rachel in Bat Cave (1:26) 41. Your Father's Name (0:57) 42. Crane Interrogated (0:34) 43. Ducard Appears (1:10) 44. Ducard and Gotham's Fate - Bruce Left For Dead (6:39) 45. Rachel Gives Gordon the Antidote (3:32) 46. Batman Arrives (2:29) 47. Batman Rescues Rachel - Fight With League (2:55) 48. Final Confrontation (1:20) 49. Train Fight (3:18) 50. Danger Over (0:54) 51. Surveying the Ruins (3:21) 52. Gordon Says Thanks (1:50) 53. End Credits (9:03) 54. Batman Theme (3:16) 55. Prison Nightmare (Alt.) (1:04) 56. Monastery (Alt.) (2:46) 57. Father to the Rescue (Alt.) (2:13) 58. Mugging (Part 1) (Alt.) (1:07) 59. Mugging (Part 2) - Gordon Comforts Bruce (Alt.) (2:51) 60. Training (Alt. 1) (3:00) 61. Training (Alt. 3) (2:52) 62. Campfire - Bruce Goes Home (Alt. 1) (3:29) 63. Campfire - Bruce Goes Home (Alt. 2) (3:29) 64. Your System is Broken (Alt.) (0:56) 65. Meeting Falcone (Alt.) (3:10) 66. Decision (Alt.) (2:32) 67. Crane Warns Rachel A (Alt.) (1:00) 68. Crane Warns Rachel B (Alt.) (1:21) 69. Preparing Equipment (Alt.) (1:54) 70. I Need You at the Docks - Why Bats (Alt.) (2:35) 71. Batman On Fire (Alt.) (2:28) 72. Batmobile Chase (Alt.) (4:52) 73. Gordon Says Thanks (Alt.) (1:51) 74. Original End Credits (7:15)
It's the same, only some cues have been combined etc.
@Hybrid (or anyone else capable) Do you think we could get a track list/log for which composers wrote which cues, like we got with TDK? I've always wondered whether it was HZ or JNH who wrote the music for Ra's Al Ghul.
CD 4 - Special Album - Orchestral Mixes 1. Opening Titles/The Long Walk (2:52) 2. Meeting Duccard/Monastery (3:23) 3. A Fateful Night/Training (5:12) 4. Bruce Goes Home (4:20) 5. Hide In The Dark (2:49) 6. Temple Fight (6:02) 7. The Bat Cave (1:57) 8. Prototypes (1:35) 9. Preparing Equipment/Why Bats? (3:49) 10. Lighten Up (5:11) 11. Meet The Batman (1:30) 12. Batmobile Chase (4:52) 13. Batman Saves Rachel (4:00) 14. A New Beginning (5:03) 15. Special End Credits (8:26) 16. Ra's Al Ghul Suite (7:15) 17. Batman Begins Suite - Live Recording (4:51)
There's an 8 CDs version !
CD5 contains a 60+min suite I've done. CD6 contains the commercial soundtrack arrangements. CD6-7 contain the complete score played backwards. CD-8 contains all the actions cues with more drums added by a friend who knows how to use an audio software ! A-MA-ZING !
Yeah, I am sarcastic. =)
Please, stop the carnage. Guys, STOP putting more and more fanmade, useless stuff online !
Its a fan-made disc by a Shrine user called Arial :S
@Dawn: Wow, two times CD6? xD
there is also an ultra rare 7th CD with a long burp of Chris nolan (7 secs long) and a record of Christian Bale (it's Batman! oops sorry for the spoiler) screaming at Wally Pfister named : "Am I trashing your lights???!!!" 25 min long : collector! nah , seriously it's getting annoying all this fanmade stuff as Dawn said..
Where is "Courthouse (part2)" in the first CD ? It's probably the music where Bruce Wayne wants to kill his parent's murderer, but a woman do it before him... This music is not in this Recording Sessions...
It's interesting how different versions of cues were used in the film.
When the bats come to the asylum it's the version that plays when the credits start making "back up" unused.
The beginning of final confrontation is tracked in with the same bit from the chase scene.
Batmobile chase while a few seconds longer than the alternate still doesn't have the film version which includes a couple more uses of the main theme and a great drum bit when the batmobile does a 180 in the tunnel.
Where is Courthouse (Part 2) and One More Container / On The Roof?? There are two tracks missing I believe.
They are the only ones missing. I hope we get them somehow.
I just realized theres a bit missing on "Preparing Equipment" when Flass starts the ignition on the car and we see Batman crouching over on a roof putting his black mask on. There was music in those few seconds, but it's not on this release. Also is "Crane Warns Rachel" the rejected / original version to when Bruce is at the pay phone and sees Rachel?
i would love to get the corthouse cue where the murdering happens, it's really dramatic pure in there, but i doubt we'll get it ever.
Can anyone identify any film versions on CD3 for me? I believe some are film edits such as "Gordon Says Thanks (Alternate)". Is there any other film edits?
In a perfect world, every movie score would be treated to a commercially available complete release, so that everyone who wanted it would be able to gladly pay for it and support it's composer legitimately. But unfortunately, we instead live in a world where the general public overlooks the magnificent works of art that are film scores such as this one and instead gravitates towards the equalized beeping noises that are mainstream music. Unfortunately, this means that in order to experience them with the complete treatment they deserve, we're forced to do so illegitimately through the underground. It's a sad fact, and it's made even sadder by the fact that commercial film music releases are becoming less and less complete.