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D A R T H, I'll show you exactly where is what, what is what, done by who... Give me a few hours ! :P
D A R T H
2011-05-19 17:54:54
hum...i think it's not too difficult, there not a lot of tracks...
Anonymous
2011-05-19 19:35:45
Tracklist as in the movie:
On Stranger Tides (full) Guilty of being innocent... (full) Blackbeard (just the theme) Mutiny (full) Blackbeard (till 2'20") Angelica (30 seconds, different version) Mermaids (full but with shorter beginning) Palm Tree Escape (full) Blackbeard (2'20-3'25") Up Is Down (beginning, different version)
End Credits (full) Mermaids (first half) Palm Tree Escape (full) Blackbeard (theme)
There are also many variations of: - DMC theme at the end of "Blackbeard" ("A Family Affair") - "On Stranger Tides" theme, with better orchestration (less "trailer music" than the track) - Jack Sparrow theme - He's a Pirate - Beckett theme - I Don't Think Now's the Best Time (first 30 sec)
D A R T H
2011-05-20 01:29:22
woooo thx so much ! ! !
D A R T H
2011-05-20 01:33:48
mmm ?
The Pirate That Should Not Be South Of Heaven's Chanting Mermaids Angry And Dead Again
are not in the movie ?
D A R T H
2011-05-20 01:46:43
Blackbeard (just the theme) Up Is Down (beginning, different version) Mermaids (first half)
-> Do u have an aproxymate edit timming ?
tomPoland
2011-05-20 11:59:19
@Anonymus
So it seems that Rodrigo was needed just for better PR.
No one should judge the music based on this terrible CD... The whole score is just great...
Kusi
2011-05-19 10:05:18
that's right yes, but my rating concerns the soundtrack release not the music in the movie.... and this album is just ... hum ... boring? ;) the only one track I'm recently listening to is "Palm Tree Escape"
Anonymous
2011-05-19 18:50:57
Yes yes that could be but why isn't that whole great score on CD. Seems Zimmer hates his fan. I think such scores are an insult and a disgrace for the true movie score fans.
Especially since it is his fault that the album is such a horrible full of crap film score lovers don't want.
This comes from a very accurate review I've read and it sums up my feelings quite right
"Make no mistake about it: Zimmer is alone to blame for the terrible album. He has confessed many things about the album's constitution, even admitting that Disney would have pressed an album with much more original score if he had personally insisted. But after blaming the musicians union's fees involved with Los Angeles recordings for limiting most score releases to 30 minutes (someone needs to get this man to consult with Brian Tyler about that), a largely irrelevant poke at the players he claims to support given his wealth and appeal, Zimmer actually claimed artistic merit for his album choices (along with Peter Asher's input). He wanted to show off more artists' talents, seeking spirited remixes that more closely followed his original material (sorry, didn't work!), and specifically left off more of the orchestral action sequences because he thought that they would make the CD less listenable to the purchasing audience."
Zimmer condones the remixes and talks about being bored of his original tunes but being forced to use them. Sounds like the only thing he enjoyed about this one was the collaboration. Also speaks about following Powell's lead for Panda.
Brent
2011-05-17 10:55:50
First of all, the studio decides whether or not to create a soundtrack album in which they then decide who/what exactly will be featured. It was Disney's ultimate choice to include the remixes with the albums (look at Tron Reconfigured). Zimmer knew the remixes for Pirates 2 & 3 were not all that great, so he tried to feature ones that "capture the fun of the film" on this album. Is it extensive? Absolutely. Is it necessary? Probably not. Again, it's the Studio's choice. As of being bored with his themes, I sort of see where he is coming from. He's done 3 of these already. Like he said himself, "how does it reinvent itself." There's only so much you can do to musical themes before they become repetitive. As for my own selfish reasons, I would of loved to see more "Zimmer Score" featured in this album. But because of the above "musical theme" reason, I am surprisingly relieved that this album didn't turn into a 75 minute Brian Tyler excessive type score. Zimmer has provided us a niece action-adventure score suitable for a fourth Pirates film. I can't wait to see how his music lives and breathes within the film's context and not just on CD.
Prott
2011-05-17 13:55:06
Great interview! Especially the second part.
Trent Easton Navarro
2011-05-17 15:44:00
@ Brent
I'm sorry, but I'll take Brian Tyler's 80 min releases any day over this sad excuse of a soundtrack album. I prefer my soundtracks to actually represent the film it was written for properly.
As for Zimmer being tired of the themes, he should have rejected this one then and let someone else score it. Williams has written six Star Wars scores and all were great pieces of work. Same with Goldsmith on Star Trek. Besides he doesn't have to reinvent himself, it's his minions who has to do that. They probably wrote most of the score. All Hans has to do is sit back and collect a big fat paycheck.
peckherr
2011-05-17 15:57:10
yes and Im also quite sure Zimmer has some control over what goes on these soundtracks....
Look at Panda 2 - the album is practically all the film's score. Why can he do it with that one but not this one?
Zimmer seemed to be more enthusiastic abot that film that Pirates 4.... in other words he just didnt give a crap, let his minions do most the work, and wanted Rodrigo and Gabriel to be featured heavily in this soundtrack, even though their solo musical pieces arent used very much within the movie, so he says....
you tell me...
HP
2011-05-18 11:10:56
Saw the movie in the Netherlands already (it premieres here today) and the music is awesome. Only, most of the Rodrigo y Gabriela pieces aren't really in the movie. The only thing I could hear was the Angelica-theme. And (spoiler) as the Spanish come to the Fountain, there's a small piece of a very well-known composer in it. I thought it to be from Berlioz, but I'm not sure. Next week, when I'm going again, I will listen more carefully to unravel this mystery.
And last but not least: On Stranger Tides is an awesome movie, it feels totally new to me. Take in mind that I'm a huge fan and have seen the other three movies a lot.
tomPoland
2011-05-18 13:05:33
@Brent
John Barry scored 12 Bond movies and wasn't complaining, What about composers that work for TV - Giacchino or Joel Goldsmith?
Tired? Say NO!
Jo
2011-05-19 09:22:37
Very enlightening.... he really shouldnt do so many sequels. I think he doesnt have the heart to say no to people he likes.... like in this case Jerry Bruckheimer.
Andrew
2011-05-19 12:10:49
Jo, I think it is more of a professional issue than emotional. You say no to your usual collaborator and chances are strong that you lose the opportunity of future collaborations too. Reminds me of Hans' working relationship with Ridley Scott. They haven't worked with each other since Hans decided to withdraw from Kingdom of Heaven, remember?
Well, I've just seen the film. I enjoyed it a lot and I enjoyed the score greatly. I have to say however that this album is a very bad representation of what's in the movie. First of all, Rodrigo and Gabriela. They're not in this score. From what I could tell they featured in 2 cues, the first being palm tree escape (and that was brief, the he's a pirate guitar reprise that occurs on the track on the album had no guitars in the mix in the film) and the end credits piece which was the same as on the album. Angelica's music was non-existent. The little two note motif can be heard here and there as in mutiny, but the angelica track is nowhere to be found in the entire film, no guitar tango, no sawing strings. The pirate that should not be does not feature nor do south of heaven's chanting mermaids or angry and dead again. So this was quite disappointing as I was looking forward to hearing their sound in the film but it just seemed to be cut out almost completely.
As for the rest of the music - it's good, there are many very good cues that aren't on the soundtrack album. Including some interesting variants on the east india trading company theme for the british. Davy jones even makes a brief appearance during jack's carriage riding. This is somewhat annoying also - themes from the previous movies seem to lose any leitmotivic significance that they had, and get tracked into random action scenes.
The main theme of the film is the mermaid's theme, which also becomes the theme for the quest for the fountain of youth. This wonderful theme is treated to lots of different reprises and variations. A particular stand-out is in the mermaids scene where a group of mermaids are singing a song, then the theme blends in beautifully in the background.
Blackbeards theme is also well used. All parts of the blackbeard suite are used at some stage in the film.
The big choral statement half way through "On Stranger Tides" is a theme for the spanish conquistadors. Doesn't seem to get much development but maybe I missed it. According to zimmer, geoff zanelli wrote this theme. It's good.
so track-by-track
1. Guilty of Being Innocent of Being Jack Sparrow Heard in its entirety during the opening scenes. 2. Angelica Not featured 3. Mutiny Heard pretty much the same as on the album 4. The Pirate that sould not be Not featured 5. Mermaids Full cue from film 6. SOHCM Not featured 7. Palm Tree Escape Full cue, but less guitars in the mix 8. Blackbeard First 2 minutes or so are from a scene near the beginning then the rest of it is from a scene near the end 9. Angry and Dead Again Not featured 10. On Stranger Tides It's all in the movie, but the mermaids theme gets so many statements I can't remember which one this is. 11. End Credits Unchanged
Really want to hear a full score of this.
Anonymous
2011-05-18 16:54:57
so we only have 25 minutes of the score on this album. It's even less than megamind. Instead of crappy pop songs we have Rodrigo y Gabriela.
HP
2011-05-18 17:23:04
Pete, I do have to correct you here. There is definitely a scene where the 'Angelica'-tango is used, on the deck of the QAR, the ship of Blackbeard. Not the whole song, indeed, but it IS there. Also, with the Palm Tree Escape, the full song is there, not with less guitars. You just can't hear them well, as a result of overwhelming sound effects.
Finally, the choir-sequence in 'On Stranger Tides' can be heard in the beginning of the movie and as the Spanish arrive.
HP
2011-05-18 17:25:53
One more thing! The second 'big' cue in Blackbeard, on 2:22, is also used in Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End. Can't remember the scene, but I'll look it up if you want me to do that.
Jasper
2011-05-18 18:08:41
The cue from 2.22 is heard in Dead Man's Chest I believe, when Elizabeth is using her wedding dress as a puppet.
Anonymous
2011-05-18 20:26:58
Jasper is correct about the cue heard at the 2:22 mark. It is a cue written originally for Dead Man's Chest by Trevor Morris, and it's known as "Haunted Dress to Tortuga".
HP
2011-05-18 20:41:20
My bad, it was indeed Dead Man's Chest. It screwed it up a bit, 'cause I did a marathon of the franchise last night. Thought it to be from AWE. Thanks!
Ds
2011-05-19 02:05:01
Tracklist as in the movie:
On Stranger Tides (full) Guilty of being innocent... (full) Blackbeard (just the theme) Mutiny (full) Blackbeard (till 2'20") Angelica (30 seconds, different version) Mermaids (full but with shorter beginning) Palm Tree Escape (full) Blackbeard (2'20-3'25") Up Is Down (beginning, different version)
End Credits (full) Mermaids (first half) Palm Tree Escape (full) Blackbeard (theme)
There are also many variations of: - DMC theme at the end of "Blackbeard" ("A Family Affair") - "On Stranger Tides" theme, with better orchestration (less "trailer music" than the track) - Jack Sparrow theme - He's a Pirate - Beckett theme
popo
2011-05-19 04:21:11
if this is the case then you're not really missing anything...save maybe the better orchestrated On Stranger Tides Theme...
Man if only someone would upload a remix of it on Youtube with a good beat....The remixes dont do it justice.
blackbeard clip has been released. Features first half of blackbeard track. Score fits the film brilliantly. Gonna see this tomorrow morning, can't wait.
Better Track order: Guilty Of Not Being Innocent Of Jack Sparrow (1:42) The Pirate That Should Not Be (3:55) Mutiny (2:48) Blackbeard (5:05) Palm Tree Escape (3:06) Mermaids (8:05) On Stranger Tides (2:44) End Credits (1:59) Angry And Dead Again (5:33) Angelica (4:17) South Of Heaven's Chanting Mermaids (5:48)
Yes the Guitar pieces are mostly at the bottom - because they sound like end credit music to me, but particularly Angry and Dead again sounds like a nice transition from the End Credits track...
anybody got the At World's End 2 disc special edition with the pirate maestro: the music of hans zimmer feature?? because if you watch carefully there's Chris Nolan at Pirates sessions.
Guilty Of Not Being Innocent Of Jack Sparrow (1:42) Palm Tree Escape (3:06) Angelica (4:17) Mutiny (2:48) Blackbeard (5:05) Mermaids (8:05) South Of Heaven's Chanting Mermaids (5:48) The Pirate That Should Not Be (3:55) Angry And Dead Again (5:33) On Stranger Tides (2:44) End Credits (1:59)
Epics
2011-05-11 19:33:31
Either way, the soundtracks blows chunks. don't get too excited or excited at all, you'll be even more disappointed.
Bondo
2011-05-12 10:38:02
I always try to listen to scores chronologically if possible, so thank you for this! Is this just a guess or do you have additional info?
Dom
2011-05-13 23:03:31
@ Bondo- It's got to just be a guess, the 3 rodrigo tracks are not in the film.
Ds
2011-05-13 23:24:28
Dom - is this a joke? how do you know that?
Dom
2011-05-14 02:06:51
If you notice on the complete score tracklist, all the cues are either too short or too long to be any of those cues, they can't be split up, either.
Bondo
2011-05-14 05:37:09
@Dom - Not true, "Guilty of Being Innocent of Jack Sparrow" is less than 2 minutes long, and "Blackbeard" is most certainly 3 separate cues. And don't forget Zimmer likes to put theme suites on the OSTs
tomPoland
2011-05-14 09:24:20
@Bondo
Rodrigo tracks are coherent and they can't be splitted. It would sound awful.
Bondo
2011-05-14 10:16:31
I know
Ds
2011-05-14 13:22:30
The people who arrange music in the films are very good, every piece of music can be split up!
I think Rodrigo's songs will be in the movie, but maybe not entirely (just like the songs of Rio or Madagascar). Otherwise it'd be a non-sense to put these on the OST!
I see what you are all saying about the remixes, but the other soundtracks were short and lacked remixes. If I can't have a long soundtrack either way (the first three soundtracks weren't long either), I'd rather have a shorter soundtrack with remixes.
But that's just my opinion.
Evangelines
2011-05-13 05:34:01
Probably the artists who remixed these songs never got their chance to remix in the previous two albums because it just wasn't needed and/or they didn't have enough time to fit in more remixed songs, so by creating this new soundtrack that has given these techno artists the chance to remix some songs chosen specifically for them. For all we know, the previous albums could've been this long actually, but they're not.
That's also my opinion…
Eva
Anonymous
2011-05-13 13:40:16
The first 3 had remixes sold sepretly
Evangeline
2011-05-14 11:17:35
There were ones on the soundtrack too, my dear. They might've wanted to be on the ACTUAL soundtrack instead of selling their remixes sold separately, because then if you bought the album you would have to endure their remixed songs anyway, of it being on the album. If I composed techno I would've proposed the same thing…get most of the profits, but that's just what I think. I don't know much about the music business. :)
Out of this score, unless the actual movie presents even more original pieces not put on the album, is just a rehash with Spanish guitar thrown in for color.
The TRUE original pieces here are 1: Blackbeard's theme (and I don treally consider it a theme because its liek a reverse engineered theme from the "B" Pirates theme used in DMC and AWE
and 2(if there's to TRULY be an ORIGINAL MAIN THEME out of this mess): The Mermaids/At World's End Theme....Which basically is an extension of the Mystical theme from AWE, anyway, but is way more memorable than Blackbeard's.
Thats it.
Mermaids. Case Closed. Here's to the DVD release...
So, if they hired Eric Whitticare of choral writing fame, and if reports are correct and Whitticare indeed recorded choir for this in Abbey Road (London), then why is it that they put sampled choir on the CD at the end? What I am hearing in "Mutiny", "Blackbeard" or "On Stranger Tides", at least, is definitely the same sample library with which they put together Angels & Demons.
the problem with all of you complaining about this score is simple
a) it's the 4th movie!! like holy crap. what, did you expect? Zimmer to scrap all the themes and write a whole new score???? then you would just bitch about the fact that there were not old themes at all! there's just as much new material here as AWE, sure zimmer may not have written it, but its still amazing.
b) those of you who hate RyG, open your mind up to more than just whatever music you listen to. Music is music, it's all good, and if you don't like it shut up and don't listen to it.
c) film composers write music that fits the movie - this is the 4TH movie, no one is really taking is seriously anyway, so why should hans take the music anymore seriously??? what he did fits the film exactly as it should. We're lucky we get to have a physical copy of the score to listen to, they could have just as easily not released it. Hans doesn't write for his fans, he writes for the people who are paying him. If he wrote for his fans, he'd just be a composer, not a film composer
personally, i really enjoyed the score (and even i hadn't i wouldn't bitch about it - yet ironically, i loved it and and i am still writing a crap load on this site haha XD) if you didn't like the score, fine fair enough, just shut up, listen to AWE and wait for Zimmer's next score.
anonybananamous
2011-05-13 03:50:06
Umm...I can answer all three of your points like so:
Because That's his fuggin' JOB, say what.
You can tell when a worker is milking it just to get his paycheck...We went from a decent At World's End score album to THIS pile of Frankenstein crap?
At least try, Zimmer, to get your music out there on THIS ONE.
Nuff said...
Evangeline
2011-05-13 03:57:04
I'm sorry to those who might hate us for saying this, but I honestly agree with you, love. Even though I have not gotten the album yet (5 more days!!!), I still believe the previews are spectacular. Now, I don't want to sound rude in any way in this, but in my opinion, I think the real reason most of you "dislike" it is because you were expecting it to be something completely different…but why? Why change the sound of a movie series if it's ment to sound a certain way? There is a reason why the first movie sounded so epic, as well as the second and third, but why not connect all three to this one? Why not bring back that sound we all love to be reminded of how Pirates will never be forgotten because of the music? That's what Hans has done and it was Johnny's idea to bring in the Spanish vibe into the movie because he wanted the plot to stick to the actual story of Ponce De Leon(sp). By doing so, it was probably his idea to bring in Rodrigo y Gabriela, "probably", and it is new, fresh, exotic, ethereal, romantic, and absolutely breathtaking. Honestly, I didn't want Hans to change the way Pirates was originaly made, which includes the music, because I wanted it to be memorable. Something we can listen to ten years from now and say "This is music."
Eva
Evangeline
2011-05-13 04:16:02
Also, as far as the remixes go, and I am not one to listen to techno, I think they are the best techno pieces I've heard this year. I mean, this isn't the first time Hans put techno in the Pirates albums, it's in the second and third ones too. There was also a remix CD for just the song "He's a Pirate"…that was the only song they remixed, actually, but this one is a lot better because it remixes different songs.
Eva
CS79
2011-05-13 04:23:31
I also like the score, but why not more of it? half album is remix-crap and that´s bulls*#$%!!!!!
Trent Easton Navarro
2011-05-13 15:19:47
"it's the 4th movie!! like holy crap. what, did you expect?"
Brian Tyler just scored the 5th Fast and Furious flick (his 3th for the franchise) and wrote one hell of a score for it. John Williams wrote music for six Star Wars films, all are classic scores. Jerry Goldsmith has written great scores for several Star Trek films.
tomPoland
2011-05-13 19:08:44
You really should listen to non-zimmer composers.
Composer should always write as best as possible. If he can't - take a vacation. When he felt that it's beyond he's abbilities, he should give this project to someone else.
BTW As for blockbusters - Thor and Priest are awesome. So as LEGO Universe. Listen and learn.
I am here only to give thanks to Hans for bringing to the world his talent.
Hans gives a peaceful end to the eternal daily suffering that we all share. Beyond that, he can compose a score with precision and timing that, as of yet on Earth, we cannot comprehend. Music is life, and he has an understanding of it.
Subzero
2011-05-13 16:57:24
Man, I love Zimmer, but you need to listen to more music
Has anyone noticed how amazing Angry and Dead Again is? It took me 24 hours, but I finally got it :P
Jo
2011-05-13 16:06:32
oh and while we're at it: I love how South Of Heaven's Chanting Mermaids takes up the great dramatic music of Mermaids and turns it into a lighter, yet melancholic guitar piece :)
the score is good (let's wait for complete one)!! The new themes can be listened through R&G tracks and also behind Zimmer new rythm of POTC themes.
pirates 5&6 will be done at the same time, hope with zimmer and R&G on board to fullfill the job... For sure POTC 4 will be a success. Thanks who, thanks Mr Zimmer!
The problem is that Zimmer make too much soundtrack! It would be better to do less and make them beautiful. There he finds himself in very little time to chain Rango, Crysis, POTC and soon Kung Fu Panda. It is not human. The soundtrack for the new Pirates of the Caribbean is very disappointing: lots of recycling. And I think RyG have composed a lot for this soundtrack, unfortunately, their material is quite average
Anonymous
2011-05-12 22:54:49
well what did you expect? ITS THE FOURTH BLOODY MOVIE!!!! goddam it people, stop your complaining that it's "recycled" and just enjoy the fuckin thing.
i'm sorry if i this offends any of you, truly i am, but seriously, it's the 4th movie in the series... like seriously, what the fuck did you expect????
Epics
2011-05-13 03:30:54
It doesn't matter if it's the 4th movie, just because it's the 4th one doesn't mean the score should suck.
Epics
2011-05-13 03:40:07
And, the fact that once again they failed to exclude much music in favor of, dare I say it, REMIXES! GAH!
anonybananmous
2011-05-13 03:44:27
What he said...
The guy's job is to make a decent film score. ESPECIALLY considering it's a SUMMER BLOCKBUSTER TENTPOLE and they paid him high money for it. I'm all for an expanded or complete score of this to TRULY judge the caliber applied for this film (I suspect this album is truly shaving off LOTS of the better music, ala DMC), but unfortunately this is all we have, so insofar it sucks IMO, humble as tho it may be (or not, considering many people's gripes on here and abroad)...
I gotta pay 10 bucks for THIS? You serious? ALOT of remixes now than before? What gives? Zimmer. Thats what.
J
2011-05-13 04:28:57
I agree with Epics and anonybananmous. Anonymous is taking it so fuckin personally. Theres NO EXCUSE to write a half-assed score, by all means reuse themes but make an effort. People can hate this if they want. Anonymous is an idiot >X(
hmmm... Surely the man who could bring us such amazing themes as Kraken, Davy Jones, Cutler Beckett, and that enormous love theme in the third film, could have done something more for the Blackbeard, Fountain of Youth or Mermaids concept. I am not going to say that he wasn't involved in this film, for I am sure he was. But I am guessing something held him back. I am actually a little concerned about his well-being. Most of the photos I have seen of him lately show a truly exhausted man. The news that broke lately that he has jumped ship from the Gorfaine-Schwartz agency to WME might also have a thing or two to say too...
baka
2011-05-13 03:46:57
at this point id settle for a nice remix of the mermaids theme put to beat...None of this dance house BS remix, either...Giveit more percussion cuz it needs it, since it seems to be the only true "orginal theme" aside from Blackbeards (which isnt all that great IMO).
I'm digging the score itself, minus the remixes. The Pirates series have too many themes to have such a short album. There is little to no development for Angelica or Blackbeard's themes on the album; I'm sure this would be corrected in the complete score.
I Honestly don't understand why so many people are disliking the score. I liked it and I loved how they brought back the original themes and introduced newer themes, because it brings back the same contiunity and doesn't make the movie seem too overly distant from the previous three. Personally, I liked it.
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