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LOL. Track 14 is titled "The Pirate that Should Not be Remixed." Damn right he shouldn't have been remixed. We're just lucky Magic Box Music shared a nice expansion of five tracks to this score.
There is one track on youtube that ISNT on this CD.. I WANT TO KNOW WHY... WHERE IS IT? AND WHY IS IT NOT ON THERE??? I WANT IT BADLY.....
Bou
2011-06-15 12:08:04
Rip it from youtube then (what's the link?)
Forrest
2011-06-15 15:08:49
This website won't let me post the link. And can I ask how do you rip from youtube... never done it before.
Forrest
2011-06-15 15:11:18
The title of it is: Pirates Of The Caribbean: On Stranger Tides - Soundtrack (Hans Zimmer). The length of the track is 6 minutes and 40 seconds. I'm just baffled as to why it's not on the stranger tides OST....
Anonymous
2011-06-15 15:30:55
That track is just a copy and paste job from the CD. Every note in that track is on the CD one way or another. I'm 100% sure.
kaka
2011-06-15 16:01:40
im sorry what? That piece is a mix of Guilty of Being Innocent, End Titles, and Palm Tree Escape....This track youre talking about is just all three put together into a suite.
kaka
2011-06-15 16:02:23
Just get yourself a sound recorder program off CNet...They usually have one thats free
forrest
2011-06-15 21:15:44
ok my bad, I was shot last night... Thanks for the info guys.
Where is the song for the triler "First day of shooting"? Will it be included in the extended score? This is the video I mean: youtube.com/watch?v=kFlTJwJmthU
fago
2011-06-09 04:59:49
I doubt it. Thats just temp work...
Hernan Patané
2011-06-09 07:12:39
You've killed me deep in my heart..
fago
2011-06-09 15:58:17
Actually there's no need for killing...all you need to do is rip the audio off that Youtube clip and get rid of the SFX and voices as much as you can and you have your bit of music....
You could try that. Most people don't because they dont like sfx in their music...but hey...give it a shot if you truly want it.
fago
2011-06-10 01:18:20
PLus there's that guy during the music that sings along to it, which kind of totally ruins the song halfway through...
Hernan Patané
2011-06-10 07:56:08
That's what I thought when I read your suggestion. I hope I can find it. That's all I want. Keep your eyes open please!
the "color" of the score (album version) is spanish on the movie... the spanish "color" is not very high, it's clearly a promo for Rodrigo y gabriella, with a few part of the score and music "inspired by"...
I find it very sad,that some Tracks from the movie, are not on the soundrack. An example is the variation of the mermaids theme, when Syrena and Philip submerge in the sea. I hope one day it will come a !complete! score from pirates of the caribbean - on stranger tides.
pogo
2011-06-09 16:01:26
Actually its mostly variations of the Mermaids theme.
Maybe Zimmer didnt want track after track of the same theme just with different arrangement/percussion...So he went with something else?
Eh...I wouldnt worry too much the dvd when it gets released will be EASY to get a complete score off of. You practically dont even need any programs. Just get the audio off it yourself...Most those scenes are not messed up by much SFX or talking.
Clemmensen over at Filmtracks has a review up. It's pretty predictable stuff: dissing most of the score itself as "lazy," the tired old complaint about the Pirates scores not being "swashbuckling" enough, and some statements from Zimmer used to aid a juicy little byte about how Zimmer and his method of operating is "intenionally or unintentionally" ensuring the decline of good film scoring and soundtrack presentation. I'm willing to let him have his opinion (and I do agree that the remixes probably weren't a good move), but for him and his readers to act like they're the only ones smart enough to know what "real" film music is...I just don't know.
Ds
2011-05-21 13:45:01
Filmtracks.com hates Hans Zimmer and Pirates movies. It's sad to see people giving 1/5 to DMC's score, and 2/5 to AWE's score, saying these scores are "predictable"!
Mike
2011-05-21 14:00:23
hey guys,
I hardly ever visit this site, because quite frankly I have never really cared much about this person's point of of view. I think we all should review a cd for ourselves...and not be influenced by other critics.....Furthermore I believe that certain statements by the above mentioned Mr. Clemmensen can't be taken seriously..".decline of good film music" Oh please...times change and scoring methods and technology have changed over the years...If certain people don't like it or can't accept it, then it's their problem. HZ is on top of his game. So frankly, who cares what certain people think :-)
Anonymous
2011-05-21 19:58:37
Clemmensen is a d*ck
Levente
2011-05-21 20:12:51
Clemensen I think gave the rating of the movie because he had enough of these things about Zimmer. He was harsh about this score but, I agree on a lot of things. Definietly * star score.
True that Pirates 3 was awesome and is the best all of them.
Hybrid Soldier
2011-05-21 20:15:35
Who ?
Anonymous
2011-05-21 22:02:05
While I usually don't agree with filmtracks reviews I must say that this time it is spot on.
Besides almost every pirates or zimmer fan is complaining here or in other forums about the lackluster cd release.
Also every other review out there mentions the same points are filmtracks so I think the frisbee rating he gave this time is really accurate.
Trent Easton Navarro
2011-05-23 13:40:50
@ Ds
I always find it funny that people here claim Clemmensen hates Zimmer. If you would actually bother to check, a lot of Zimmer scores are rated three or more scores. There are almost 40 scores that he rated 4 stars. Does that seem like someone who hates Zimmer?
D A R T H
2011-05-23 13:53:27
for me the best score of the serie * is the 3 (after 2,4,1)
* movie version, not albbum versions
Jonathan Rochat
2011-05-23 19:40:11
Filmtracks is not a reference. They put five stars to Horner's "Avatar" which is simply a mix of "Titanic" and "Enemy at the Gates" and only three stars to Gladiator, saying that it is too similar to preceding Zimmer's score...
Trent Easton Navarro
2011-05-24 02:29:05
@ Jonathan Rochat
Yeah, and Zimmer never had scores that sound similar to previous ones?
If you guys would bother to check, Zimmer has an higher average rating than a lot of other big name composers. But I guess you don't want to see that cause it doesn't fit with your "Filmtracks hates Zimmer" viewpoint. Unlike you fanboys here, some people actually notice that Zimmer has lost it.
Ds
2011-05-24 08:37:28
@Trent Easton Navarro
You're right, but it's sad to read what they wrote about scores like Inception(2/5), Pirates 2 (1/5), Pirates 3 (2/5), Mission Impossible 2 (2/5), Gladiator (3/5) or The Dark Knight (2/5)
Trent Easton Navarro
2011-05-24 13:25:06
@ Ds
I agree in some cases they were to harsh (M:i II, At World's End) and I was indeed surprised to see Gladiator only received 3 stars. But Inception just wasn't very good (at least in my opinion), as are most of Zimmer's last few scores.
In the end though, we can't all like the same stuff. I loved Reznor's score for The Social Network and that one got a vicious review over at Filmtracks. Doesn't make me like the score any less. You can't always agree with Clemmensen, but at least he writes good, and sometimes very entertaining reviews.
Miles
2011-05-24 16:10:49
@Trent Easton Navarro
Like I said, Clemmensen has a right to his opinion, and I'm sure he's a good writer, but the man himself just gets on my nerves. Be honest, how big of an a**hole opens his Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen review with "fact: our population is hopelessly stupid" and offers up high sales of the first score album as "proof" later on? We should be able to debate the merits and demerits of our favorite scores intelligently, but the smug "you fanboys" attitude which Clemmensen practices (and you, unfortunately, slipped into) is a barrier to that, just as much as unthinking, automatic defense of Zimmer/Remote Control.
JOnathan Rochat
2011-05-24 19:37:07
@Trent Easton Navarro
Like Miles says, there is a lot of excellent review on this site. And it's true that Clemmensen see Zimmer fans not with a good eye... The problem is maybe musically. FIlmtracks does not hate Zimmer, it hates electronic big bass sound (very present in last Zimmer's score) and all of what is not well orchestrated (The "Promise" by "Badelt" got 5/5, surprising??). So, I think this man is not satisfied with only beautiful epic melody with a minimum of orchestration (Zimmer style). He prefers Williams or Newton style. I can understand. But if you don't like the style of a composer, a review is useless, because will automatically receive a bad rate...
are the tracks with Rodrigo's music such as palm tree escape like that in the film?, I've seen but can't recall thanks
Micah
2011-05-22 16:29:08
Palm Tree Escape is in the scene where Jack and Barbossa are escaping from the Spanish.
Angelica is used for a very tiny bit in the tango scene between Angelica and Jack. Other than that, no, they are not used.
david
2011-05-23 08:18:12
I know they were used but was palm tree escape same on cd as in the film because I don't recall much of that Rodrigo guys stuff in the film.
Ds
2011-05-23 13:10:16
Yes it was the same version of palm tree escape!
tok
2011-05-24 15:38:27
Yah and Im surprised that they didnt cut this down for the album. First time an action cue has been represented in full on these albums...Goes to show you how lacking they were in the originality department.
When the Spanish arrive at the Fountain, there's a small piece of music that isn't on the album. But for those who want to know what it is, it is a piece of music of Hector Berlioz: Song D'une Nuit de Sabbat.
Please comment if you heard it too!
zach
2011-05-23 15:27:15
its actually on Track 10 "On Stranger Tides"
it plays at the beginning of the movie as well
HP
2011-05-23 16:47:41
No, that's not what I meant. I know what you mean, that part is on the album. I mean the part that comes after the British officer is killed and that Spaniard asks to make a note of that mans bravery.
The music I meant is this: youtube.com/ watch?v= IrezpUWIY98
On 3:23 the brass part starts, that can definitely be heard in the new Pirates movie at the scene I just decribed. I'm 100 % sure it is thát part.
HP
2011-05-23 16:57:07
Of course, it is not the same, but the melody is. You will hear it is the same when it comes on DVD. Maybe even Hans will say something about it in the near future.
Anonymous
2011-05-23 16:57:58
Indeed HP, you are 100% right!
Thanks for directing me to the whole piece. Sounds awesome :)
Hale
2011-05-23 17:09:50
It's usual for Zimmer to use this melody.
You can heard it in 'Lion King' (King of a Pride Rock), 'Crimson Tide' (1SQ), Road to Eldorado ("Cortes" Theme)and some other scores which i don't remember.
Hale
2011-05-23 17:12:04
And not from Zimmer but very interesting representation of the theme in "Shining"!!
youtube.com/ watch?v=Iw23KM3-Ry8
Richard
2011-05-23 17:58:01
It goes even further back than Berlioz, actually: It's the "Dies Irae" Gregorian chant.
youtube.com/watch?v=Dlr90NLDp-0
Soooo many film scores use it. o.O
Dies Irae
2011-05-24 02:27:52
It is one of the oldest and most famous "religious" chants. They probably used it to convey Spanish people's faith.
Very Disappointing on CD, but some cues in the film are very nice, especially on the end credits with a long version of "Mermaids" mixed with "ON Stranger Tides" themes with a lot of choirs, clearly absent from the album.
"Mermaids" is the only tracks that makes me the sensation I had when I listened to the very good "At World's End" four years before... Even if it is a reprise of "The Da Vinci Code", this is an excellent arrangement.
Remember too that Zimmer also re-take "King Arthur" for the last track of "Dead Man Chest", but this time this is a better reprise...
Ds
2011-05-21 02:16:35
Which track of "the da vinci code"?
"Mermaids" is a reprise of "At Wit's End" from POTC3!
Jonathan Rochat
2011-05-22 21:33:58
I was no talked of the end of "Mermaids" which is clearly a reprise of the Lorb Buckett Death's in "I don't think now is the best time", but from the beggining of the track.
Nevertheless, I think you're right. I've juste listen the "Da Vinci Code", and it is not exactly the same note, but exactly the same style (In the tracks "Poisoned Chalice" and "Daniel's 9th..."). The Begin of "At Wit's End" in POTC3 is really similar to these tracks, and Zimmer re-use it for "Mermaids".
What's sucky is that the Mermaids theme got good variations in the movie, but they were really small.
Honestly, the only parts of this film score that merited some creativity were :
Fight with Angelica and Jack Second Mermaid Attack (before capture) pieces of scenes that transition to new scenes while they were on the island - the music was good but only lasted 20 seconds or so... The Palm Tree escape Finding the Fountain of Youth
Special mention goes to a small piece of the movie where they play "Up is Down" and the composer creatively interwove Jack Sparrow's theme into it...
I have to echo Micah's views. The album is quite enjoyable, but the score in the movie was just... awful. And I've never agreed with the "it's not an appropriate swashbuckling sound", saw the point - but never personally agreed with it. I've always loved the scores.
This though... feels like one of the laziest film scores I've ever heard. It partially ruined the film for me. Literally 90% of the score, is a cut-and-paste job from the previous three movies. I don't even think some of the tracks were re-recorded, some of them literally sound like they were just *taken* from the previous recordings and edited (badly I might add). The result is a really choppy score, that never seems to flow. It feels like they're just picking from a bank of music, cues which vaguely match what's happening on screen. If you are big into the music, you might think you'd find it charming or warm to hear old themes again. You won't, you'll simply find it distracting hearing music that's played verbatim from the previous movies, that you associate with different characters and events. Music never feels like it's used as a callback or for thematic intelligence, just because it *can* be used.
I heard the same cues being used over and over again. The "Dutchman Attacking" theme was used pretty much verbatim at least twice in the movie, I think once during the London sequence. I truly was expecting better from that sequence. Not just chunks of the EITC theme stapled together with random action cues from the last three movies. He's A Pirate managed to get grating after a while, as did Jack Sparrow's theme which felt like it was used every five minutes.
The final battle scene was just a mess when it came to music, there was no theme to represent anyone, just different random bits of action music stitched together to fill up space. Music was just used for anyone and anything. We had some of the Davy Jones music near the end for no real reason followed by Will and Elizabeth's love theme which was bizarre, then randomly cutting to Up Is Down.
The new identities are barely established. You have the Mermaid/Stranger tides theme and the Blackbeard theme. The Blackbeard theme sounds loud and brassy every time it's used, and the Mermaid/On Stranger Tides stuff is used very minimally. And there's just no variety in it. It's all just clanging action material. The "overhead shot" music where the camera pans, was nothing like the wonderful establishing music used in "At Wit's End". It was just the same loud brass sound. I heard little guitar in the score either.
So while I would maintain I'd give the album, sans remixes, a 7 out of 10, the score would probably get a 4. It's... functional, at very best. And I'd hate to think that Zimmer was getting bored, and you can't presume things, but compared to the passionate effort of At World's End, or the interesting sounds in Sherlock, this is just cut-and-paste rubbish, quite frankly. Very phoned in.
Micah
2011-05-21 18:55:12
I completely forgot that they rehashed Bootstrap's theme for an unrelated part inthe movie. I can't remember where, but I facepalmed when I heard it.
patrick
2011-05-21 19:28:00
I will agree that the score in the movie was disappointing and not nearly enough original material was either composed or used.
Each action scene in the film just seemed to rehash the same old themes over and over, almost at times sounding badly edited into the film and yes the dutchman attacking theme was played twice and seemed really out of place the second time.
However I am not sure if these cues were newly composed using the old material or if they were just tracked in.
On a side note the ost is terrible, there's barely any original material on there and nothing memorable really at all.
Anonymous
2011-05-21 22:00:31
Couldn't agree more with 'renewed'. Horrible score in the movie and even worse on the CD.
Ok, I've just gotta say that I adore this soundtrack. I'm glad to finally hear some great cues again that got left out of the past two movies. I'm not mad about the inclusion of the remixes...what really bothers me is the Rodrigo y Gabriela tracks that made the soundtrack while some other great music got left out.
The movie score as a whole I felt was terrible. It sounded like one of the most rushed in-your-face movie scores I've ever heard, combining random cues from the past three movies in moments where the action had nothing to do with the music being played.
That being said, Mermaids is epic, as is Blackbeard, and Mutiny. I'm a little disappointed at the order they chose to put these songs in (out of chronological order Dead Man's Chest style).
Micah
2011-05-21 06:47:12
The movie itself was good, not great (and easily the weakest of the Pirates films) but I still loved it. The mermaids scene was epic, but the ending was a bit too predictable. Phillip, Syrena, and Angelica are all interesting characters and I would love it if they would return for a fifth movie.
Gotta say, I was disappointed in the finale, but that's probably because I got spoiled by Isla Cruces & the Maelstrom. It's also sad that we got next to no music from the climax (save the second half of Blackbeard).
Must say we are not missing out on a lot of cool tracks.
Most cool cues in the movie that are not on the album are only 20 seconds long so I understand why they are not on the album. There is only 1 or 2 long cues that are really missing and that are not reprises from previous movies.
Only thing that is really missing is the full "end credits" cause it contains some new previously unreleased parts and also a new nice choral reprise of the kraken theme.
But when the DVD comes out we can rip that easily.
But I must say that Hans really could have been a better job on this score an put a lot more material on it instead of those horrid remixes and rodriguez tracks.
Bad score. Zimmer failed. Rodrigo Y Gabriela create something worth listen, but their music doesn't have a connection to Pirates (except main theme added to #9 and #4 - but that was completely unnecessary). And first half of mermaids is taken from Da Vinci Code.
Zimmer is sinking - too many scores a year so he must take co-composers to fill the gaps. I'm worried about Sherlock and Batman (JNH should take it entirely).
I saw (on some forum) demo of a complete score:
DISC ONE 1. 1m01 (3:39) 2. 1m02 version A (1:36) 3. 1m02 version B (1:41) 4. 1m02 version C (1:40) 5. 1m03 version A (2:54) 6. 1m03 version B (2:54) 7. 1m04 (0:31) 8. 1m05 (1:03) 9. 1m06 (2:04) 10. 1m07 version A (2:18) 11. 1m07 version B (2:16) 12. 2m8b (0:21) 13. 2m12 (3:05) 14. 2m13b (2:10) 15. 2m14 version A (1:16) 16. 2m14 version B (1:17) 17. 2m15 (2:12) 18. 2m16 (1:32) 19. 2m17 (2:11) 20. 3m18 (0:20) 21. 3m20 (0:50) 22. 3m21 (3:07) 23. 3m22-23 version A (2:28)
DISC TWO 1. 3m22-23 version B (2:28) 2. 3m22a (0:21) 3. 3m24-25 (3:18) 4. 3m26 version A (2:04) 5. 3m26 version B (2:09) 6. 3m27 (1:11) 7. 3m28 (0:44) 8. 4m32 version A (2:33) 9. 4m34 version B (9:30) 10. 4m37-38 version A (3:15) 11. 4m37-38 and 5m39 (3:03) 12. 5m40a (0:51) 13. 5m40b (0:27) 14. 5m40c (2:47) 15. 5m41 (1:15) 16. 5m42 (5:41) 17. 5m46 (1:01) 18. 5m47 (2:41)
and number of track composed
Matthew Margeson - 11 Steven Kofsky - 9 Geoff Zanelli - 8 Guillame Roussel - 8 Jacob Shea - 1 John Sponsler - 1 Nick Phoenix - 1 Thomas Bergersen - 1 Hans Zimmer - 1
Rodrigo Y Gabriela should compose the whole thing, Zimmer should take a rest for 3-4 years.
Anonymous
2011-05-12 15:06:46
From what I understand, the initials on each cue (they have been removed on the above tracklist) only signifies who last worked on it, not nescessarily who composed it to begin with.
Cate
2011-05-12 19:20:05
I still thinking that tracklist is false
HZLeaks
2011-05-13 04:31:06
Cate, its genuine. Some stuff is so rare its not "out there" yet, but people with industry contacts DO have this. Just because you cant Google it doesnt mean it doesnt exist. Anonymous knows its real, as he spoke about the credits on the original filenames.
Remember this convo Cate cos when it DOES leak, you will see its for real :)
Anonymous
2011-05-15 22:57:46
The "number of tracks composed" on this (presumably incomplete) bootleg is both incorrect and misleading. Steve Kofsky isn't a composer, first of all... But also it doesn't indicate just how much that writer contributed to each track.
The additional music credits are listed in descending order by who contributed most to who contributed least. I believe it was Zanelli, then Gire, Sponsler, Margeson, Roussel, Bergersen, Phoenix. That is the best gauge of the influence of each composer/arranger.
Naji
2011-05-19 19:29:21
i think shut up mr tom poland better because we dont know anything about soundtracks compose , who r u to tell mr hans zimmer take rest if u dont like his music dont listen to him and dont buy his soundtracks , he help many new composer and he is praducer to many soundtracks in th end someone made gladiator lion king angels and demons and so many more thn 120 soundtrack u r not th person to tell him take rest .
zach
2011-05-19 19:50:41
i really hope this exists
Anonymous
2011-05-19 20:04:12
You're right Tom. Zimmer is taking on too many projects and not devoting his attention to any of them. Since Inception, the last time he seems to have put any real effort into a score, we've had Megamind, How do you know, The Dilemma, Rango, Pirates, and Kung Fu Panda, all of which (apart from KFP2 which i haven't heard) have been underwhelming, only partially worked on by Hans, really bad or no album releases. It's like he doesn't care.
After the dark knight rises, he should really do that tour he's been talking about and stop taking on every little project that comes his way. And I really hope he focuses on Sherlock 2 and Dark Knight Rises now and doesn't do anything else.
It's quite simple to observe - when he works long and hard on something, he writes a great score (Inception and Sherlock Holmes). When he does 6 films in 6 months, he can't.
Anonymous
2011-05-20 18:21:54
I agree with Naji. Tom Poland can go suck it if he doesn't like Zimmer. Do some core research before you post crap like this Tom. Rod y Gab don't have the skills required to score an entire film (note - Skills, not musical ability). Seriously just shut up Tom and do the world a favour.
Pianoscore
2011-05-20 18:27:59
In Regards to the previous Anon statement. Think about what you're saying here. Zimmer gets paid x amount from working on the film (I'm not going to state a figure as I don't know an accurate one). He gets this film from either his manager / his own choice. Then the company releases a soundtrack, most of the profits of which would go back to the company, not Zimmer (unless he retained the rights to the music). The figure would be substantially less either way. So basically. He gets a massive figure for working on the film and either very little or none for releasing a soundtrack. Hmmm... Then we need to look at whether or not us as fans actually have any relevance to the films success and therefore whether or not Zimmer would actually care about us. Seeing the comparison of film goers compared to film goers who are also avid soundtrack buyers, I'd say no. No we don't have any relevance to the film's sucess. So basically, No. No I don't think Zimmer cares about his fans. I think he writes his music for the director & himself. Anyone is welcome to join for the ride, but you can blame someone for making them a god then complain when they bleed.
Naji
2011-05-20 22:29:09
better if he dosnt care about some fans:):) i would tell somthing to all Mr Hans Fans , any composer in th world has great soundtracks , good soundtracks and bad soundtracks for ex john williams 1 from the best composer in this world maybe th best, all his soundtracks r great? no sure no if u know war of th worlds u will know what i mean but even he has bad soundtracks 20 30 is not th reason to talk about him or hate him we should respect him and respect all th composers , for me the best track from Mr Hans is 160bpm best albums gladiator and da vinci code but i dont like drop zone that doesnt mean its a bad album or a bad composer or he dosnt care about his fans no no , in th end if we like poc4 or not angelica is 1 of th best tracks in th world for me ill buy th soundtrack just for this track
I've just saw the film, and the music is better in it than the album (bad selection and non used cue ?)
D A R T H
2011-05-20 01:38:08
Blackbeard (just the theme) -> what time ?
D A R T H
2011-05-20 01:44:39
oups !
Ds
2011-05-20 22:21:12
@ D A R T H: the Blackbeard theme is used for the first time when Jack realises he's on Blackbeard's ship. The theme comes when the camera goes back and we see the entire ship.
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