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| posted on 26-9-2008 at 14:08 |
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POTC 4
Pirates Of The Caribbean 4 is officially launched !
Depp's word !
Son who's gonna do it ? 
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kayasavas87
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| posted on 26-9-2008 at 14:42 |
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Gore Verbinski is doing Bioshock for a 2010 release and Rango for a 2011 release. So I doubt he will direct. And I believe it was Hans' words that he would not do another Pirates films, I don't know if he's joking or not but I doubt he would unless Gore comes back.
He says no to more Pirates here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHghRW46Zt4
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| posted on 26-9-2008 at 14:54 |
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And Hideo Kojima said "NO MORE MGS for me !!!!"
And MGS 5 is already launched with... Kojima as "director" (so HGW will be back !!! ) !
I guess after some time Hans will change his mind...
And if he still doesn't want to do it, his team will be OK !
I remember Zanelli saying he would be very happy working on a 4th movie...
But hey, personally, I would love to see Klaus Badelt aboard once again !
A great come back to RC after the crappy Direct-to-DVD or TV Films he scores like Scorpion King 2...
And because I want one of the POTC 1 theme back ! The one during the duel between Jack & Will ! Why the hell is it gone in POTC 2 & 3 ?
Well, and Disney/Brucky announced National Treasure 3... Trevor's job isn't finished yet !
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kayasavas87
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| posted on 26-9-2008 at 14:58 |
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Jerry Bruckheimer also announced he's producing The Lone Ranger starring Johnny Depp. That also means an RCP western score, which is AWESOME!
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demetris
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| posted on 26-9-2008 at 18:53 |
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I too think Hans will return, no matter what he said. Why wouldn't he? Big money, big score and POTC3 was one of his most impressive works ever.
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hale
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| posted on 26-9-2008 at 19:46 |
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Zimmer on POTC 4 is a dream.. 
However, Zanelli, Badelt and Glennie-Smith are a good alternative..
Maybe Alan Silvestri?? He has composed a score for the first Pirates which has been rejected..
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alfacomp
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| posted on 27-9-2008 at 03:00 |
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is there any proof on this as in a link or something? and i really hope hans would come back for the fourth if it happens although he seemed pretty adamant about not doing another, oh well we'll see as news on this progress
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hale
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| posted on 27-9-2008 at 08:34 |
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I see the proof on TF1..
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Prottt
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| posted on 27-9-2008 at 12:01 |
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Alan Silvestri? I hope not... 
The best alternative would be.. Nick Glennie-Smith. 
but - yeah, PotC 1`s sound is definitely Badelt`s work.
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Randall Flagg
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| posted on 27-9-2008 at 13:36 |
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I hope they bring Klaus back on this one....
The original Pirates score had that great MediaVentures energy!! My favorite.
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johncarter
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| posted on 27-9-2008 at 14:21 |
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quote:
Originally posted by demetris
I too think Hans will return, no matter what he said. Why wouldn't he? Big money, big score and POTC3 was one of his most impressive works ever.
It was an impressive score but to me not his most personal. You simply need to read the list on the music credits, to see that POTC3 is a job of a dozen of people. POTC3 is more like a remote control score.
"holiday" or da vinci code is much more personal. It's really something Hans can write almost alone. You really recognize the young hans in "holiday" for instance.
So I really hope Hans will do a more personal score, perhaps for Nixon or angels.
I had enough of these big score ( which I love ) from hans he did recently, I want something more elegant
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hale
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| posted on 27-9-2008 at 17:19 |
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I agree with you. Pirates is a pure Remote Control Score but it sounds better than just a Remote Control without Hans..
The majority of good stuffs is composed by another composer than him (End Credits, some cues of action and epic movements)
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| posted on 27-9-2008 at 17:59 |
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quote:
Message original johncarter
"holiday" or da vinci code is much more personal.
So is POTC 2
POTC 2 => Kraken, Jack Sparrow, Davy Jones, all this 100% Zimmer...
But POTC 3 is really RC...
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kayasavas87
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| posted on 27-9-2008 at 22:26 |
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quote:
Originally posted by alfacomp
is there any proof on this as in a link or something?
http://www.movieweb.com/news/NExAxyCAsTfUBC
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| posted on 28-9-2008 at 08:54 |
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quote:
Originally posted by Hybrid Soldier
quote:
Message original johncarter
"holiday" or da vinci code is much more personal.
So is POTC 2
POTC 2 => Kraken, Jack Sparrow, Davy Jones, all this 100% Zimmer...
But POTC 3 is really RC...
The idea of "personal scores" is pretty nonsense. The music team (arranger, orchestrators, ...) of P2 and P3 are almost identical.
Is P2 a more personal score because Hans' suites are on the soundtrack release? 
Here some facts about Hans' working style (from the guy who was there for the documentantion two years ago):
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The string patch he played during the Dice Game Scene was just a sketch to get a general idea/feel. In later steps he does indeed work it out in much more detail. The tracklisting inside the sequencer goes in the dozens - all with different articulations/instrumentations of his orchestra library. Just like most here do it "at home".
The main work of the orchestrator(s) begins when the sequencer's score printout is adapted to a better playability for the live orchestra. And of course fellow composers help him around the "edges" of a score. Work out parts of the score themselves based on their own or their master's ideas. But this is a (very important not to be underrated!) supplement, not the main part of the score.
The general notion that some here seem to support with some sort of zeal - that he "does not do his music himself" - is plain wrong. The main work is done by him and this does not only mean laying out some chords. It also covers the orchestration (far beyond a "general" or "overall" level), including detailed an individual articulations. You should see him tinkering on the timing of a single chord in a single bar for several hours...
[In fact he "excuses" this behaviour with something like "I only do this to disguise the fact that I don't have the faintest idea as to how to go on with the composition. By pretending to do something that looks as if it was absolutely important no one will notice..." ]
Btw, what some here consider "not real composing" is indeed one of the great advantages of modern technology over "traditional" composition: Since he has full control over the sound, he can indeed do much more himself. This is why his "demos" are sometimes hard to distinguish from the final product (and almost always added to the final mix anyway).
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johncarter
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| posted on 28-9-2008 at 10:10 |
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Yeah Hans can do a score all by himself, we know it. But I think for his last scores, Pirates 3 and The Simpsons, he really pushed his "additionnal composers" idea to another level.
Up is down from Pirates 3 is written by Henry Jackman , the theme ( which's the love theme ) is by hans. But the whole idea and orchestration is Jackman.
At wit's end and One day are probably hans.
Calypso and Drink Me up hearties are Geoff Zanelli and another guy (with of course themes by hans in it !! )
Multiples Jacks is another guy ( lorne balfe ? )
"I don't think now is the best time" is Henry jackman and Atli Orvarsson ( Hans made the driving ostinato that we hear at the beginning ) in that track you have themes from hans ( and the new jack sparrow/wheel of fortune theme from POTC2 ) arranging and orchestration by Jackman and Atli
It's a team effort... and it sounds pretty good  which's the most important after all...
I really consider Hans more like a music producer now. His last personal effort was Da Vinci Code, and his last truely personal effort was Thin Red Line ( oh guess what ? two of his best scores !! although you have klaus doing additionnal arrangement for thin red line )
You see, I want this hans to come back !! but it's just my little opinion
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| posted on 28-9-2008 at 15:28 |
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Multiple Jack and the first 5 minutes of "I don't think now..." (Beckett's death) are by Örvarsson...
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hale
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| posted on 28-9-2008 at 18:20 |
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I don't like the Orvarsson's style. It's too linear..
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Prottt
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| posted on 28-9-2008 at 19:55 |
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quote:
Originally posted by johncarter
His last personal effort was Da Vinci Code,
Don`t forget The Dark Knight... yes, it was written together with James Newton-Howard, but Batman and Joker themes (+all the action stuff) are by Zimmer alone. I think that Howard`s compositions are Harvey`s themes + love theme.
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kayasavas87
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| posted on 29-9-2008 at 05:48 |
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Someone said The Holiday was a personal effort? Take a look at the liner notes. Only 2 tracks were solely composed by Hans according to them.
If it says Hans Zimmer on the front of the CD and in the credits of the movie then I consider it a Hans Zimmer score. If you listen to all the RCP/MV composers work without working under Hans you can tell their individual styles and sounds. Like I always say. If in the credits it says 'Directed by (Insert Name)" then people call it "A (Insert Name) Film". Example: "A Ridley Scott film" "Steven Spielberg's Schindler's List". A director gets pretty much all the credit for thousands of people's contributions yet it is still he/she who oversees every aspect of the production.
Hans has his helpers just like a director has their helpers. So far every single composer out of RCP has been able to form their own voice and as long as Hans Zimmer keeps his own then that's all that matters.
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hale
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| posted on 29-9-2008 at 07:45 |
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But, once upon a time, composers compose alone..
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kayasavas87
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| posted on 29-9-2008 at 16:19 |
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As a filmmaker myself I've always seen every aspect of filmmaking a collaborative effort. If a composer is writing a symphony that is meant to be a singular vision played in a music hall for an audience to come listen to then I support that, but when you are composing music to a visual medium that incorporates multiple layers of work and ideas thrown in from every department and a composer has to write music considering all the aspects (costume, production design, acting, cinematography, editing) then I support the collaborative method and Hans Zimmer's "rock and roll band" mentality.
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| posted on 29-9-2008 at 17:20 |
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quote:
Originally posted by hale
But, once upon a time, composers compose alone..
and editors cut film with razor blades, talkies were the lastest thing and one day movies might be in color!
The world has changed, directors, producers and studios all expect more, technology makes it possible to try endless variations on a cue, even right up the last minute. Picture changes come in faster than ever, new cuts are turned around in record time, which means more screenings, more focus groups, more changes and demands on the composer. It's too much for one composer to deal with unless he has double or triple the time to spend on a project, which isn't going to happen and anyway that would mean 2-3 times the amount of change notes.
I respect the fact Zimmer isn't afraid to say he uses a team, it's his own pirate crew. Roll on POTC4
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Pridelander
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| posted on 5-10-2008 at 11:29 |
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quote:
Originally posted by kayasavas87
Someone said The Holiday was a personal effort? Take a look at the liner notes. Only 2 tracks were solely composed by Hans according to them.
I think The Holiday is something he couldn't create without his "team"... he gathered composers/musicians (including singer Imogen Heap) in his room, jammed the themes he'd written together, and it became the basis of the whole score.
And I don't think it's inferior to others just because of the process.
http://www.petitiononline.com/LIONKING/petition.html
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bondo123
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| posted on 5-10-2008 at 12:02 |
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My pick for POTC4 composer(s): Steve Jablonsky, Trevor Morris, or Trevor Rabin
Rabin stated that he wrote several demo themes for POTC at one time, so it'd be interesting to hear his take on the franchise while retaining Zimmer's themes.
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