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Just finished listening to it for the first time. I've never been a fan of TWS. Yeah, sure I listened to it once before the movie and enjoyed the music in the end titles in the cinemas but that's just about it. Never wanted to revisit it. <br><br>This score, though it's much more orchestral and traditional it just seemed incoherent to me. The themes are there but, they simply are not developed. It just felt like everything is stitched together randomly. May be it's because how the movie itself is. So many characters, so much stuff happening. It probably suits well enough with the movie. But, the music should take the movie to another level and not feel like "yeah it was okay". Henry is capable of much better stuff than this.I like that Jackman took a more orchestral approach, but it sounds like he completely ditched the Taking A Stand theme, which sucks. I would have loved to hear an orchestral version of that theme.@Edmund The album version sure. The film version however... :D<br><br>I will say Into the Fray is the best cue from that score. Falcon's theme is just badass, I don't think Jackman brought it back here.Obviously, I see that Dom Lewis didn't work on this one, but there are still a couple "additionals"...Hybrid, it does seem like Dom Lewis did a reasonably sizable amount in TWS. Was this more exclusively Jackman?
So that's two people so far describing "The Causeway" as "powerful"...man, for me that was one of the worst cues from TWS!My initial impressions after one listen:<br><br>I really love that Jackman took the opportunity to distinguish this score from TWS (which I do enjoy). Instead of completely rehashing the style/themes, or fully abandoning the concepts, he managed to find a perfect middle ground which feels like a natural progression of the music. Both The Winter Soldier and Cap's themes actually get development, something I was initially worried about.<br><br>In regards to the orchestrations and themes, the bombastic approach works really well! While there is nothing as powerful as The Causeway or Taking a Stand, the action cues shine. Kudos for the interplay between themes! The end result is a score that is far more varied in style than TWS was. Even the new themes introduced are pretty strong.<br><br>Now the bullshit; Why the FUCK can Marvel not understand thematic consistency? One of the better things about Age of Ultron was the integration and development of the existing themes in the universe. Here, neither Iron Man's nor The Avengers themes get any mention at all (outside of a few small hints here and there). This is what kills the score for me. Hopefully the film tracks in some music to fill in the gaps.<br><br>So yeah, this is a mixed bag. On one hand it's a pretty heroic and developed score. On the other, it's a HUGELY missed opportunity. Oh well, here's hoping Infinity Wars fixes this issue.<br><br>*Side Note: Is it just me or does the orchestrated version of Winter Soldiers theme (Overture, Adagio) sound like Morricone's The Thing?Loved this much more than TWS, which was just flat out boring aside from the Winter Soldier theme (despite being distinctive, made for an unbearable listening experience). Some of the action material just feels like some filler material. The themes feel less like themes and more like extended motifs. But the good thing is that they seem to be clearly defined this time around and are more upfront in their presentation.<br><br>Overall, much better than TWS, but I think Jackman needs to step up his game if he is working on Infinity War."Kudos", I won't say that.<br><br>So far I'm just disappointed by this score. It's like Pixels, it has the "big orchestral emptiness" I won't give a full opinion before I see the film tomorrow, but it's just so faaaaaar from Cap 2...<br><br>As I feared, without Dom & Matt, Jackman just seems lost...@Mike, the problem is the "generic" sound into. Scores like this: hundreds. If you change the title "Civil War" to Dracula Untold or Mission Impossible Rogue Nation also it works.<br><br>TWS had violent sounds making prominent and noteworthy, not like this. The only track with TWS music is "Boot Up".
If the entire score sounds like the suite above, then I do have to give serious kudos to Jackman and co. for listening to criticisms. This score, from what I've heard, does at least have the TONE of the first Captain America and of the two Avengers movies, even if those themes aren't present, and that is a refreshing surprise.@ThePaleKing I can't say that my expectations are little lower now. But, your reaction is probably mine for The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug. I said "This has no themes and mainly background noise. This is not as good as the original." But then I saw the movie and it worked. I went back and heard it again and loved it the second time. Maybe you need to see the film and you'll probably have a different reaction. Where have you heard the score?@Russel I was just wondering where you heard the whole score.I agree so much! Run Free and Homeland are so delightful, entertaining, propulsive, emotional, really grand music.<br><br>Btw I can't help thinking Homeland would have been an amazing fit somewhere in the concert setlist!I can maybe, maybe hear a bit of Toys in there, but where Clemmensen is hearing The Rock is anyone's guess. Then again, he seems to be particularly good at hearing Crimson Tide in particular in scores that don't sound like it at all (really, any time Zimmer uses a male choir, it's a Crimson Tide clone)...and all while giving Horner multiple free passes for far worse. Oh well. Just shrug and laugh it off.<br><br>I'm not sure the Spirit as a whole is as well-rounded as Lion King or Prince of Egypt (it gets a bit repetitive after a while), but I ADORE the themes, and I'd put "Run Free" from the original album in my top 10 Zimmer cues ever. The whole thing sounds so warm and organic for some reason (which is odd considering it's so synth-heavy). It's like musical comfort food. :)
I keep saying<br>the electronic parts were the good part of TWS, not terrible ideas at all<br>the album was just a horrible representation of the score<br>I understand going orchestral for this tho<br>It just doesn't sound like a /theme/, per say; it very well could be /for/ Spider-Man, or at least for a Spider-Man scene, but it's not a /theme/ like, say, "Is She with You?" was a theme for Wonder Woman, or "Red Capes" was a theme for Lex.<br><br>Okay, probably bad examples, but hope that makes sense ...@ZekeWars010 Lol, yet you're listening to it now. Okay..@ThePaleKing So the track "New Recruit" isn't solely for Spider-Man?Hopefully ...<br><br>I've picked up on Zemo's, Panther's, the Civil War's, and /possibly/ Spider-Man's so far, and I can't really say much other than they're perfectly serviceable.<br><br>Zemo's is nice enough, the Civil War's is pretty good, and for Panther and Spider-Man, they don't really feel like /themes/ so much as /recurring motifs/, which, again, I can live with.<br><br>If anything, the most memorable parts of this one have been the fully orchestrated segments from "The Winter Soldier." I just wish / hope the badass electronic bits came back as well.
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